Noob Daytona 4130 arrived

[bettoban]

Forget the two ticks one tick nonsense, the problems are the subdials and the ROLEX spacing.

The steel dial is completely wrong. They've copied the ceramic dial style. The steel dial never had this sort of spacing.

The ceramic dial spacing is better but sub dials are wrong.


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V2 with new dial just appeared on puretime
https://puretime.io/rlx2018081301day...sa4130-v2.html
i hope they solved subial's problem...

 

[BlackJaguar]

V2 with new dial just appeared on puretime
https://puretime.io/rlx2018081301day...sa4130-v2.html
i hope they solved subial's problem...

Do we know whether the quality of the bracelet has improved?

 

[guru]

V2 with new dial just appeared on puretime
https://puretime.io/rlx2018081301day...sa4130-v2.html
i hope they solved subial's problem...

doesn‘t look like they resolved it, but I could be wrong.
They still look too big compare to this

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[fabbe79]

Maybe the ones on the site are old pictures
I hope my order just paid is going to be a v2..

 

[botsyboy]

wake me once 904 is available

Absolutely pointless!!! I’ve just fitted an ARF 904 clasp to my 316 Noob sa4130 and there is absolutely no difference!!! Both will polish to an identical lustre and finish!

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[guru]

Absolutely pointless!!! I’ve just fitted an ARF 904 clasp to my 316 Noob sa4130 and there is absolutely no difference!!! Both will polish to an identical lustre and finish!

I did the same and I totally agree


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[ssouthall6]

I dont fully get your feedback. The white dial, black circumference subdials, black bezel, as shown in posts #203 and #204, would you classify as wrong dial/subdial?

Well, the more microscopic on goes, even one gen wont match another gen. So each individual has to draw a line somewhere, as to what the individual will live with or not.

For me, I dont even think I can spot the difference between a 3600 quartz movement 28800 on somebody's moving wrist, at a little bit of a distance, without appearing impolite. So, I will draw my line here: a if knowledgeable and practical fellow like timnic54 asserts that a particular specimen is a solid NWBIG, I will accept it

Ok I'll bite

Firstly, let me say I am a member here for 5 years, have had probably over 50 reps pass through my inventory, have a number of gens, have had built and sold many super frankens. I have massive respect for timnic54, I follow him here and on HB and have bought watches on his recommendations.

I'll also say that both the noob and the ARF are excellent watches, but neither are IMO good enough to class as super reps. I have detailed why elsewhere but I'll do it again for the sake of people who don't want to read the whole thread.

The noob movement is a work of art. The pushers are good, the case is decent, the sels are good enough but the dial and bezel on the 116500 fall short of the quality required for a super rep and the bezel and especially the dial on the noob 116520 are miles off.

I'm a nitpicker, it's in my nature. If people don't like it, I don't really care. I'm not showing this to justify my own purchase, I'm not an ARF fanboy, I'm not a noob fanboy, just a daytona fan that wants the perfect watch.

Franken of a 116520 is plausible but 116500 is cost prohibitive. So ideal situation is fix these small issues and everyone wins.

G=Gen
N=NOOB
A=ARF

Let's start with the front dial on. First observations are the lettering of ROLEX on the noob. Look at the O. Look at the tail on the R. ARF is a touch too bold but this isn't as noticeable as the poor spacing on the noob.

Also visible is the poor insert. The engravings are too shallow and too thin on the noob. A touch too deep on the ARF but still closer to gen.

Daytona on both ARF and Noob is too dark.

Pinion on gen is capped, fail for ARF and Noob.

Subdials. Ever so slightly too wide on the noob, ever so slightly better finished on the ARF.

Indices. Nicely polished on the gen. Ok on the ARF. Too thick and bland on the noob.

Insert. Noob has definitely improved this from v1. V1 triangle was miles too small. Now the font is still too skinny but the lines are better, they are too fat on the ARF. But the triangle is still too far away from the numbers.

Lugs. Better on the noob. Not sure what ARF were doing here. Too skinny and completely the wrong shape. Amusingly Noob have added the little indentation that they failed to put in the v9 116610, even though it doesn't exist on the daytona.

So yes, I'm pretty finicky as you can tell, but that dial and insert aren't quite good enough for me. I'll let you guys all buy the v1, and I'll buy the v2 when they get closer


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[KJ2020]

So yes, I'm pretty finicky as you can tell, but that dial and insert aren't quite good enough for me. I'll let you guys all buy the v1, and I'll buy the v2 when they get closer

Really appreciate you putting all this together in one post my friend. Excellent comparisons to help us decide!

 

[ssouthall6]

Now for the 116520

This is the watch that is IMO nowhere near super rep due to the dial and the bezel.

On the dial on the 116500, whilst it doesn't look great, it's not far off. This one is frankly crap.

I read early someone questioning my knowledge etc and saying the nuances could be explained away with dial variations through the years, so I've taken images from a 12, 8, 6 and 4 year old 116520 to prove the point.

Let's start with the lettering, the branding, the thing everyone sees first.

As you can see some variations over the years. ARF could easily fit into one of these categories. Noob is quite clearly using the font from the ceramic dial. Total fantasy.

Next bezel. ARF is a touch long in the numerals but close enough. Noob - oh dear. Everything far too skinny. Very obvious from quite a distance.

Subdials. Well credit where credit is due, at least all of the noob ones work but what is that strange inner circle?!

Noob doesn't look too far away from the 6 year old Daytona but the numbers are top angled. Look at the 60.

ARF don't win any awards here either. Look at the numbers, too bold, although straighter. The lines reach to the end of the subdial, which is wrong. Noob doesn't, which is correct.

DAYTONA lettering. Completely wrong on ARF and Noob.

I couldn't be bothered to even look at the rehaut, lugs, sel etc on this one, I will at some point.

Again - I'm not knocking either watch, they are what they are, but if you want the watch to look as nice as possible, these are the bits that need fixing.


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[Maron]

Absolutely pointless!!! I’ve just fitted an ARF 904 clasp to my 316 Noob sa4130 and there is absolutely no difference!!! Both will polish to an identical lustre and finish!

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wow! look at that clasp, it looks brilliant, it must be 904!??!?! (jk)

 

[Karlus]

Looks like we just got a V2?

https://puretime.io/rlx2018081301da...tion-white-dial-on-ss-bracelet-sa4130-v2.html

 

[gpvecchi]

Ok I'll bite

Firstly, let me say I am a member here for 5 years, have had probably over 50 reps pass through my inventory, have a number of gens, have had built and sold many super frankens. I have massive respect for timnic54, I follow him here and on HB and have bought watches on his recommendations.

I'll also say that both the noob and the ARF are excellent watches, but neither are IMO good enough to class as super reps. I have detailed why elsewhere but I'll do it again for the sake of people who don't want to read the whole thread.

The noob movement is a work of art. The pushers are good, the case is decent, the sels are good enough but the dial and bezel on the 116500 fall short of the quality required for a super rep and the bezel and especially the dial on the noob 116520 are miles off.

I'm a nitpicker, it's in my nature. If people don't like it, I don't really care. I'm not showing this to justify my own purchase, I'm not an ARF fanboy, I'm not a noob fanboy, just a daytona fan that wants the perfect watch.

Franken of a 116520 is plausible but 116500 is cost prohibitive. So ideal situation is fix these small issues and everyone wins.

G=Gen
N=NOOB
A=ARF

Let's start with the front dial on. First observations are the lettering of ROLEX on the noob. Look at the O. Look at the tail on the R. ARF is a touch too bold but this isn't as noticeable as the poor spacing on the noob.

Also visible is the poor insert. The engravings are too shallow and too thin on the noob. A touch too deep on the ARF but still closer to gen.

Daytona on both ARF and Noob is too dark.

Pinion on gen is capped, fail for ARF and Noob.

Subdials. Ever so slightly too wide on the noob, ever so slightly better finished on the ARF.

Indices. Nicely polished on the gen. Ok on the ARF. Too thick and bland on the noob.

Insert. Noob has definitely improved this from v1. V1 triangle was miles too small. Now the font is still too skinny but the lines are better, they are too fat on the ARF. But the triangle is still too far away from the numbers.

Lugs. Better on the noob. Not sure what ARF were doing here. Too skinny and completely the wrong shape. Amusingly Noob have added the little indentation that they failed to put in the v9 116610, even though it doesn't exist on the daytona.

So yes, I'm pretty finicky as you can tell, but that dial and insert aren't quite good enough for me. I'll let you guys all buy the v1, and I'll buy the v2 when they get closer


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Can you please do a side comparison of the lugs?

 

[machim]

Great review, thanks.
I agree, these noob Daytonas are really good and I can recommend to get the noob and not the ARF. I have 2 and they are running great. The movement was checked from Domi and they are clean. I sold all my ARF‘s and ordered another noob.

Here is one of mine with gen dial

And here is the funny part, the bezel was misaligned when it arrived. After the gen dial was installed, the misalignment was gone. The ceramic bezel was not touched.

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So you said the misalign is actually the dial but not the bezel? Would you please get a straight shot pic of it?


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[bettoban]

Looks like we just got a V2?

https://puretime.io/rlx2018081301da...tion-white-dial-on-ss-bracelet-sa4130-v2.html

Just emailed them to ask the differences between v1 and v2 dial, i'll keep you updated here

 

[Hidenjoy]

Just emailed them to ask the differences between v1 and v2 dial, i'll keep you updated here

It is written better dial.

Is it me or the 120 marker on bezel is misaligned ?

 

[bettoban]

It is written better dial.

Is it me or the 120 marker on bezel is misaligned ?

Better dial means nothing and everything...i would like to understand if the problema of the bold subials was solved.

 

[ssouthall6]

This picture doesn't show it so well, but from what I can see:

Marginally better spacing of ROLEX on v2
Printing on the subdials is better (v1, grooves look like they've been applied post printing of numbers, v2 looks clearer)

Still a non-starter with that bezel insert sadly


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[Rina1988]

Just emailed them to ask the differences between v1 and v2 dial, i'll keep you updated here

have they replied? i emailed them too, but received nothing as yet.

 

[r0b9502]

Ok I'll bite

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So yes, I'm pretty finicky as you can tell, but that dial and insert aren't quite good enough for me. I'll let you guys all buy the v1, and I'll buy the v2 when they get closer


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Thanks for posting this. With your super magnified pics plus description, yep, I can see the differences. However, without descriptions, I might not have!

 

[KJ2020]

Better dial means nothing and everything...i would like to understand if the problema of the bold subials was solved.

Looks to me like the subdial outer black ring was made BIGGER when it was already too big. Thanks ssouthall6 for the comparison pics, awesome bro.