New Submariner case from South Korea

[KushBandit]

If the reps fit rolex (thwy do) and this is a rolex fit then the concusion would be yes

Only if it's gen spec. Rep dials don't always fit gen Rolex cases, and vice-versa.

 

[nom_deplume]

Only if it's gen spec. Rep dials don't always fit gen Rolex cases, and vice-versa.

Well said .. well better than how I said it

 

[nom_deplume]

I agree and the lugs holes.

++++++ 1

 

[nom_deplume]

Mystery of Rep Ecosystem: Why does no one, ever, ever get the lug holes wrong by being too much in the center.

 

[heska]

Only if it's gen spec. Rep dials don't always fit gen Rolex cases, and vice-versa.

If i remember correctly JF/ARF are wider than gen dial and won't fit a gen spec 16610

 

[JustFou]

If the reps fit rolex (thwy do) and this is a rolex fit then the concusion would be yes

The rep dials are larger and does not fit gen cases. The gen dial fits rep cases but the other way around does not work. I've learned it the hard way ...

 

[heska]

If i remember correctly JF/ARF are wider than gen dial and won't fit a gen spec 16610

Regarding that I remember finding on RWI a rehaut construction diagram (not the @p0pperini one ). I was pretty sure that I saved it somewhere but no. Does someone still have it somewhere? It compared gen/JF/TC construction and explained why JF dial couldn't fit Gen case.

You should also be carefull when mounting a gen dial on a JF/AR/TC case as it could be easily off centered due to this different construction.

 

[heska]

Ok found it!

Here you can see the gen case construction in a simplified way.

Here is how ARF/JF and TC has done it,

Hence the dial will not fit the ST case as that is gen construction.

IMO, reason for how some rep factories made cases like this is so the dial will sit flush against the rehaut, as it will be pushed right into it. However on the gen the movement will be pushed on the 27.5mm step and the dial will not touch the rehaut in any way.

This is why some rep dial don't fit. But i don't know how the K case is made regarding that issue

 

[kidcreole]

ST cases are/were* under $200 with crystal retainer. Lugs are stumpy AF but the holes look good. You’d expect more for $400 that’s for sure.

* just checked ST and they don’t have any in stock

 

[GIG]

ST cases are/were* under $200 with crystal retainer. Lugs are stumpy AF but the holes look good. You’d expect more for $400 that’s for sure.

* just checked ST and they don’t have any in stock

I checked a month or two ago and also no stock at ST. Have they discontinued the case, anyone have info on that?

 

[CarpetRyd]

I checked a month or two ago and also no stock at ST. Have they discontinued the case, anyone have info on that?

ST hasn’t had the case set for over a year. You can assume it’s not coming back for a bit, but the all gold one is still available!

 

[GIG]

ST cases are/were* under $200 with crystal retainer. Lugs are stumpy AF but the holes look good. You’d expect more for $400 that’s for sure.

* just checked ST and they don’t have any in stock

What case do you have pictured here?

 

[KJ2020]

What case do you have pictured here?

That's a Startime case. I think he meant to say the  CGs are stumpy (meaning short). The lugs have a different problem - they are way wide (fat).

 

[kidcreole]

What case do you have pictured here?

It’s a startime thx @KJ2020 but note the case you’re showing is a later no hole case. ST is based on an L serial case so check out earlier cases that do have fatter lugs. Still needs work but not quite as bad.

 

[kidcreole]

This is an st cased worked a bit to get a better shape. But you can see the lugs are too stubby/short compared to the case previous. I can shave a bit more off the tube area of the case to make the lugs look longer but this is the main problem for me.

 

[GIG]

Ok thanks for clarifying.

I agree those CGs are way too short. I was confused if you had received and pictured an ebay case with correct lug holes but even shorter CGs.

 

[KJ2020]

It’s a startime thx @KJ2020 but note the case you’re showing is a later no hole case. ST is based on an L serial case so check out earlier cases that do have fatter lugs. Still needs work but not quite as bad.

Interesting bro, I never read about or saw that there were different lug widths (or different CGs) over the years of 16610s or 16710s.

Here are some pics
4 actual gens with lug holes

1) https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watches/rolex-submariner-black-dial-steel-mens-watch-16610-43995/

2) https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watches/rolex-submariner-black-dial-steel-mens-watch-16610-43145/

3) https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watches/rolex-submariner-black-dial-steel-mens-watch-16610-43613/

4) https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watches/rolex-submariner-black-dial-steel-mens-watch-16610-43480/

Not seeing a significant difference in lug widths, ofc some older cases have been polished.

My 1989 unpolished 16710 L next to a gen 2005 F. That's almost the entire run of the model.

Rolex GMT Master II Pepsi Bezel Steel Mens Watch 16710 Box Papers

Rolex GMT Master II Pepsi Bezel Steel Mens Watch 16710 Box Papers. Officially certified chronometer self-winding movement. Stainless steel case 40.0 mm in diameter. Rolex logo on a crown. Bidirectional rotating bezel with a special 24-hour blue and red Pepsi bezel insert. Scratch resistant...

www.swisswatchexpo.com

ST cases can definitely be made to look nice, plenty of members have done it. Shaving back the area around the tube is a nice mod!

 

[GIG]

KJ droppin knowledge

 

[kidcreole]

Oh crap how embarrassing I'm talking crown guards not lugs. I had too much to drink last night! I'd even developed some slides before reading we were on two different subjects. Apologies all especially @KJ2020 for wasting cycles.

I agree on ST lugs are fat and CROWN GUARDS stumpy!

There is a significant variation of 16610 crown guards whether it be wear or bad polishing that can't be denied. These are the fatter ones I was discussing that are more aligned to the ST cases.



These were from in order:

Rolex Submariner Spider Net Dial Steel Mens Watch 16610

Rolex Submariner Spider Net Dial Steel Mens Watch 16610. Officially certified chronometer automatic self-winding movement. Stainless steel case 40.0 mm in diameter. Rolex logo on a crown. Special time-lapse unidirectional rotating bezel. Scratch resistant sapphire crystal with cyclops magnifyer...

www.swisswatchexpo.com

Tropical Watch - 1990 Rolex Submariner 16610 with Papers

tropicalwatch.com

Rolex Submariner Date 1990's Model 16610

Rolex Stainless Steel Date Oyster Perpetual Submariner with Black Dial Black Bezel

www.aandewatches.com

Vintage Rolex Submariner 16610 Patina Dial 1990 with invoice - Awadwatches

For Sale : stainless steel Submariner 16610 From 1990 (E-serial), fitted with the black dial with a very nice Patina, Oyster bracelet . Comes with outer box, inner box, and invoice. Description: Brand: ROLEX Series: Submariner Reference Number: 16610 Movement: Automatic Case Material: Steel...

awadwatches.com

1990 Rolex Submariner 16610

Case & Bracelet Very Good case that has previously been polished and has some wear from use. Very Good 93150 bracelet with 11 links and 501B end-links. Bracelet has light stretch and wear from use. Dial Excellent Tritium WG surround dial with creamy markers. Accessories None The watch is running...

hqmilton.com

Rolex - Submariner Date - 16610 - Unisex - 1990-1999 | Barnebys

Watch made in 1996. The case measuring approximately 40mm (1,57 inch) across excluding the crown and 47mm (1,85 inch) from lug to lug is in good condition and several barely visible surface scratches. The winding crown is completely original and correctly signed with the famous Rolex logo. * All...

www.barnebys.se

 

[FaberNewBuilder]

Maybe totally unrelated, but thought Id just drop it here. I'm not really a Sub guy, but saw this listing and wanted to get some thoughts:

Aftermarket Case For Rolex 3135 Submariner Movement Project Parts | eBay

<p>Aftermarket Case set</p><br /><p> 40mm case</p><br /><p>Fits 3135 Movement</p><br /><p>Comes with crown, caseback and lug spring bars</p><br />

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