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New PPF 5712 with PP240 Super Clone.....

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Thanks buddy.

Yes that’s the issue. I’m not sure if anyone has tried it yet.

Thanks for the link. I can see they look pretty different the gen and rep part 407. Probably won’t fit.

I’ll ask the watchmaker how he thinks we should proceed.

First he broke my genuine moon phase (cost me 800€). Which he partly compensated by offering the mods free of charge. So I sent him a keylog74 moon phase, which I also paid for. This cost me around 950€ (his mods would’ve been 600€). So I took the extra hit.

Now this part broke while the watch was in his custody. I expect him to solve it.
I honestly don’t have a bank vault I can pull money out of, every time he breaks my watch. There must be some obligations towards customers when you are a Trusted Watchmaker on this forum.
Name and shame bud. To be honest with you the watch maker sounds like ass.

Mine took 1 month to service my watch but he didn't break anything. Flawless. He said he spent 2 whole days taking it apart and 4 days putting if back together.
 

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Name and shame bud. To be honest with you the watch maker sounds like ass.

Mine took 1 month to service my watch but he didn't break anything. Flawless. He said he spent 2 whole days taking it apart and 4 days putting if back together.
I'm not a watchmaker but it could happen that watch part would have broken anyway so I wouldn't say it's definitely the watchmaker's fault.
 
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I only stumbled upon the custom 5712 yesterday on Chazingtime while looking for a Patek for a friend who wants one. I'm no Patek expert but the full custom version looks pretty awesome. That's considering I just got my 5711 from AMF last week. It's supposed to be blue dial and I know the light variation story, but I can't get it too look blue in any light. Other than that it looks pretty good to my eyes. I'm a definitely fan of the 5712 dial though so it could be next on my list.


 
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I'm not a watchmaker but it could happen that watch part would have broken anyway so I wouldn't say it's definitely the watchmaker's fault.
Would you pay for a new movement if the watch was in your watchmakers posession and a part in it broke? If he had made service on it beforehand, which to my knowledge means he has disassembled the movement entirely and assembled it again.

If i left my car with Mercedes Benz and they disasembled the engine completely and asembled it again, and some part in the engine broke afterwards while the car was in their posession, i would definitely require them to fix it.

Regarding the moonphase i took the hit, because it was a shared risk to make him try. He told me beforehand that it would be difficult. Therefore i was large with him.
Although it shows that several others on the forum succeeded with it, so it's also a bit incredible that he destroyed not only the genuine Patek moon phase but also the stock one.

These three incidences is a lot of "bad luck" for the same watchmaker.
 

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Would you pay for a new movement if the watch was in your watchmakers posession and a part in it broke? If he had made service on it beforehand, which to my knowledge means he has disassembled the movement entirely and assembled it again.

If i left my car with Mercedes Benz and they disasembled the engine completely and asembled it again, and some part in the engine broke afterwards while the car was in their posession, i would definitely require them to fix it.

Regarding the moonphase i took the hit, because it was a shared risk to make him try. He told me beforehand that it would be difficult. Therefore i was large with him.
Although it shows that several others on the forum succeeded with it, so it's also a bit incredible that he destroyed not only the genuine Patek moon phase but also the stock one.

These three incidences is a lot of "bad luck" for the same watchmaker.
I would cut my losses and try another watch smith next time.
 

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bezel is a bit too rounded, isn't it ?
Would you pay for a new movement if the watch was in your watchmakers posession and a part in it broke? If he had made service on it beforehand, which to my knowledge means he has disassembled the movement entirely and assembled it again.

If i left my car with Mercedes Benz and they disasembled the engine completely and asembled it again, and some part in the engine broke afterwards while the car was in their posession, i would definitely require them to fix it.

Regarding the moonphase i took the hit, because it was a shared risk to make him try. He told me beforehand that it would be difficult. Therefore i was large with him.
Although it shows that several others on the forum succeeded with it, so it's also a bit incredible that he destroyed not only the genuine Patek moon phase but also the stock one.

These three incidences is a lot of "bad luck" for the same watchmaker.
Obviously he is not expert enough in modding rep stuffs, i would try someone else as well.... Even if rep is not legal, as long as he accepts a job he should deliver....
 
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I've been wearing my 5726 for about a week now and love it. Makes me really want a 5712, but from what I've been reading in the thread it seems like the movement is a time-bomb. Is it more reliable than it looks? Is there a chance the factory fixes the weak parts?
 

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I've installed countless 5712 moonphases, both rep and gen at this point.

- Genuine has a very high chance (I say 40% likely) of cracking the glass when removing from the brass gear (if that's the one you get). A competent watchmaker can save each piece of glass and reconstruct it if necessary. It cannot be heated off, someone tried that and sent me their moonphase to try and get off, which I did without breaking it, but the paint melted onto the lower brass gear. I had to paint what I could to fix it on the underside.

- Rep moonphase discs are installed as an overlay on the existing gear. This adds thickness. You must give a tiny bit of extra clearance room for the moonphase to move, but this can prevent the already small collar of the date hand to properly engage without scratching the dial. It's a careful balancing act.

- The top post that the dial installs into (that is on the movement) must be filed down if you want to install a rep dial from SWF. The post is actually on the movement. I also received a movement from someone else where the 'watchmaker' filed down the post while it was (1) still in the case and (2) didn't remove any plates while filing it down. The filing shavings got everywhere in the movement.

I've had a few send me their local watchmaker attempts at either servicing or modding this watch. Seems like some understand it and others rarely see this type of complication (?).

My recommendation is to always send to someone you trust to do the mods who is experienced. The only replacement parts are either buying a new rep movement, which is both expensive and can take a loooong time, or buying already rare and expensive gen parts that sometimes cost more than the rep movement itself.
 

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I've been wearing my 5726 for about a week now and love it. Makes me really want a 5712, but from what I've been reading in the thread it seems like the movement is a time-bomb. Is it more reliable than it looks? Is there a chance the factory fixes the weak parts?
It's not a time bomb in my experience, just need to ensure that the one you get doesn't have issues and have it serviced by someone experienced. The keyless is the trickiest part, and it's not that its tricky, just easy to mess up and break parts.
 

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Hi there, apologies for the rookie question, just doing my final due diligence before pulling the trigger - what would be next steps if the famous 407 wheel breaks - 1) what would be a good way to source a replacement given the difference vs the gen part and 2) can you recommend someone in the UK experienced enough to service/ fix it when it inevitably breaks - thank you all
 

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Hi there, apologies for the rookie question, just doing my final due diligence before pulling the trigger - what would be next steps if the famous 407 wheel breaks - 1) what would be a good way to source a replacement given the difference vs the gen part and 2) can you recommend someone in the UK experienced enough to service/ fix it when it inevitably breaks - thank you all
407 is the clutch. You'll want to first verify that its actually the clutch. But just like @jm_brc_7057 - youre options are gen which are about 200-250usd (and currently i dont think anyone knows if gen will fit or not) or finding a way to source a rep 240 movement and either taking the clutch from that or just replacing the movement. Best of luck
 
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Kbks

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407 is the clutch. You'll want to first verify that it’s actually the clutch. But just like @jm_brc_7057 - youre options are gen which are about 200-250usd (and currently i dont think anyone knows if gen will fit or not) or finding a way to source a rep 240 movement and either taking the clutch from that or just replacing the movement. Best of luck
Appreciate the help - let’s see what comes out of it
 

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Sorry guys. Until now no luck. The watchmaker is trying to find a solution regarding the broken clutch wheel 407. I’ll update here once I know more.
 
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So I just spoke to a contact I have in HK about ability to source a PPF 240 movement, he basically told me nearly impossible. He told me basically that you normally cannot just buy the movement and are instructed to send broken movement back to factory. Essentially if you're not in china, good luck. This isn't to damper your guys' mood but seems best bet would be either buy another or contact a TD (MajorWilliams has told me in the past he has been able to send to geektime for repairs) and see if they can assist. Best of luck
 
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So I just spoke to a contact I have in HK about ability to source a PPF 240 movement, he basically told me nearly impossible. He told me basically that you normally cannot just buy the movement and are instructed to send broken movement back to factory. Essentially if you're not in china, good luck. This isn't to damper your guys' mood but seems best bet would be either buy another or contact a TD (MajorWilliams has told me in the past he has been able to send to geektime for repairs) and see if they can assist. Best of luck
About 2 years ago i bought a naked 324 movement, it might be different for the 240 but i doubt.... ;-)
 
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Anyone know the general weight of the gen 22k mini-rotor in the Caliber 240? Just curious.