Agree with most of those points there. One question- You specifically mentioned the white noob, what is your take on the black one?
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Agree with most of those points there. One question- You specifically mentioned the white noob, what is your take on the black one?
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I think the main reason is because the dials have regressed. The BP dials were largely better and the ARF is far better. It doesn't bother me, I put an ARF dial and bezel on the 116500 and gen dial and bezel on the 116528
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Back in March I started a thread comparing 14 different Daytonas from Noob, ARF, and the Rolex Factory.
I included the following lines in a Disclaimer in that first post. It bears repeating here for those who missed it or have forgotten...
I included the following lines in a Disclaimer in that first post. It bears repeating here for those who missed it or have forgotten...
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I think we sometimes forget what these watches are for. For Daytonas, to tell time and measure time in relation to speed, distance... Smart phones and smart watches notwithstanding, these Noob Daytona’s 4130 movement does an awesome and hyper-accurate job. I’ve said it last year and I will say it again: I bought this 116520 white for the movement and to salute Noob for an amazing job. I will repeat: this is the MOST ACCURATE movement that I own, more accurate than my gens. Everything else in my Noob Daytona is bonus.
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To be honest, I couldn't have said it better myself the problem with the ARF is that it is not a fully functioning watch and that it has fake hands.
So if you are holding the ARF next to the genuine article, there is a quick and simple test to verify that it is a fake and it takes one minute. Start the chronograph.
This is where the Noob and it's incredible A4130 Clone movement comes into play; it is a seriously fantastic feat of engineering. And if you understand that China leads the world now in specialised direct to metal ultraviolet printing and other processes such as rapid prototyping/3D printing. These are only going to get better.
If I had an original panda right now, I would be selling it. Because I think what has happened to Panerai will happen to Rolex stainless steel models. My job means I spend a lot of time at airports and nearly everybody I see is wearing a Submariner these days due to the fact there is a three-year waiting list for this watch. They can't all be real, and frankly, they are a bit common.
The Daytona was always the one that had a problem because of the thickness and the 7750 movement. This is an entirely unconfirmed rumour, but I have heard from many different places now that over 1 million of A4130 these watches have been sold. If that is anywhere near real you are going to see a big tumble in the secondary market. A bit like what is happening with lab-grown diamonds. The smart people are offloading their diamonds now before the market drops significantly.
Regarding the black ceramic I think the new version two is probably not as good as the white one but you can't tell by looking at it. Yes, the V1 A4130 sub dials were way too fat. And you could see it on the wrist.
I hope anybody isn't trying to do this but the only reason anybody would need to go into the minute detail people are going into here is if you are trying to pass the watch off as genuine so you can sell it as an authentic. Otherwise, the V2 A4130 is NEWBIG out of the box if you ask me. I can tell you now with some of the comparison videos coming out Rolex again a try as hard as hell to stop this flooding of the market with these extremely accurate replicas.
So if you are holding the ARF next to the genuine article, there is a quick and simple test to verify that it is a fake and it takes one minute. Start the chronograph.
This is where the Noob and it's incredible A4130 Clone movement comes into play; it is a seriously fantastic feat of engineering. And if you understand that China leads the world now in specialised direct to metal ultraviolet printing and other processes such as rapid prototyping/3D printing. These are only going to get better.
If I had an original panda right now, I would be selling it. Because I think what has happened to Panerai will happen to Rolex stainless steel models. My job means I spend a lot of time at airports and nearly everybody I see is wearing a Submariner these days due to the fact there is a three-year waiting list for this watch. They can't all be real, and frankly, they are a bit common.
The Daytona was always the one that had a problem because of the thickness and the 7750 movement. This is an entirely unconfirmed rumour, but I have heard from many different places now that over 1 million of A4130 these watches have been sold. If that is anywhere near real you are going to see a big tumble in the secondary market. A bit like what is happening with lab-grown diamonds. The smart people are offloading their diamonds now before the market drops significantly.
Regarding the black ceramic I think the new version two is probably not as good as the white one but you can't tell by looking at it. Yes, the V1 A4130 sub dials were way too fat. And you could see it on the wrist.
I hope anybody isn't trying to do this but the only reason anybody would need to go into the minute detail people are going into here is if you are trying to pass the watch off as genuine so you can sell it as an authentic. Otherwise, the V2 A4130 is NEWBIG out of the box if you ask me. I can tell you now with some of the comparison videos coming out Rolex again a try as hard as hell to stop this flooding of the market with these extremely accurate replicas.
One million? No way!! That’s insane. I have never seen an 116500 real or rep in the world other than mine. I don’t live in NYC or LA but still I would expect to see one if there were that many floating around. I have Def seen subs and Pams. You really nailed it Goldman in these other points.
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It's great for Noob that their Ceramic Bezel Daytonas are good enough a replica for many people.
To say that the Noob should be good enough for everyone is just not true.
All you have to do is compare a Noob directly with an ARF to see that a replica from China can be even better.
If the ARF Daytonas had the same 4130 clone movement as the Noobs, at the same price, which one would you buy?
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To say that the Noob should be good enough for everyone is just not true.
All you have to do is compare a Noob directly with an ARF to see that a replica from China can be even better.
If the ARF Daytonas had the same 4130 clone movement as the Noobs, at the same price, which one would you buy?
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Newbie in this game and I should say that after a while I was able to finish reading this thread, all of you have good insights and I learned a lot. Having said that my TD is Andrew frorm Trusty and got a Noob V2 Daytona white dial which is amazing. The only downside with Noob was the bracelet, ARF was far quality than Noob, Im glad I bought the ARF first from one of the member here which was brand new and swap with the Noob, I have now a very beautiful Daytona in my wrist!
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It's great for Noob that their Ceramic Bezel Daytonas are good enough a replica for many people.
To say that the Noob should be good enough for everyone is just not true.
All you have to do is compare a Noob directly with an ARF to see that a replica from China can be even better.
If the ARF Daytonas had the same 4130 clone movement as the Noobs, at the same price, which one would you buy?
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I hate the ARF pushers too long, that is more a tell tell for me than the bezel. My formula is Noob replace with ARF bracelet and Bezel and you have one killer daytona.
Newb here: I've been reading a lot on these forums and I am REALLY itching to get a rep Daytona. The only thing that stops me at the moment are those damn curved R's on the ceramic bezel of the Noob. I just cannot unsee it. (And ARF is not an option because of dead dials, and I'm too lazy to franken)...
My Noob Franken drives me crazy.
Mounted the gen „inner part“ for the pushers (Tube and inside construction) together with the Noob Pusher Crowns and it’s way too long now plus I cannot lock the pushers anymore. Beside of that, the bracelet came off because one link next to the SEL just opened. Never saw this before...
Put so much money and time into this project but now I’m close to stop it...
The canon pinions of the movement are not the best and one got destroyed while changing dial/hands, the bracelet came off, one pusher got destroyed while trying to reshape the case because it locked and was not usable anymore. Maybe the case is 904L but the rest is far away from good quality. Just my 2 cents. Will write a review anyway.
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mate those R's are so so small on real watch in real life that you would not notice yourself when on wrist.
Ok finally got Tapatalk to work. Here are some wrist photos showing the white 116500 seems smaller on the wrist to me than other 40mm watches I have had. The SEL are Def not perfect but do not bother me much. It is running about five seconds fast per day. I will send it for a service and water proofing when I have something else to wear.
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My Noob Franken drives me crazy.
Mounted the gen „inner part“ for the pushers (Tube and inside construction) together with the Noob Pusher Crowns and it’s way too long now plus I cannot lock the pushers anymore. Beside of that, the bracelet came off because one link next to the SEL just opened. Never saw this before...
Put so much money and time into this project but now I’m close to stop it...
The canon pinions of the movement are not the best and one got destroyed while changing dial/hands, the bracelet came off, one pusher got destroyed while trying to reshape the case because it locked and was not usable anymore. Maybe the case is 904L but the rest is far away from good quality. Just my 2 cents. Will write a review anyway.
What did you do to the Canon pinion or what was wrong with it? I've serviced lots of these movements and not seen an issue with that part.
It was just the sub second pinion.
Was very hard to mount the hand again and it broke. Now it’s fixed again. Another member told me he had also issues with the second pinion. The others were ok.
I like this video it pretty much sums up the whole F****** mess Rolex have created with this restricted/cartel approach to the supply of stainless steel sports watches. Just listen when he asks for a Daytona!!! "10 YEARS maybe never?"
Anyway, I thought I would just write a small piece about Franken's. I have paid people to build Franken APs for me and every time I've done it there's been major problems and the watch ended up not working at all. This includes buying faces hands pushers and all sorts of other bits and bobs. In my opinion when you have a watch that is as near perfect as this don't bother trying to Franken it. For minute gains.
So yesterday afternoon I went to see a watch dealer friend of mine and he's friendly enough to have a look at these watches. He said they are scary good. I told him they were replicas upfront that he gave a couple of pointers to me that made him suspicious.
Funny enough he did not pick up on the dreaded serif R that everybody freaks out about on this thread...
Firstly he said that the dials were the biggest giveaway on the entire watch because the fat end of them is not finished very well and under a loupe you can see small imperfections in the hands. He said that this could either mean you have had a bad service or the watch is a wrong one. So it seems if you are obsessed with Frankening this watch getting a decent set of hands is probably the best bet. He said the dials on all three watches were completely perfect!!!!
He said the dials on all three watches were completely perfect!!!! Apart from the white gold one where the Rolex emblem had some sort of corrosion on it but he said that could be easily polished off and the watch would be super.
Then he went on in great detail about how well executed the finish of the watches were and the thickness (which is the usual tell) was spot on he then said the rehaut was damn near perfect and he also said the alignment of the dial with the rehuat was super super scary. He couldn't believe that the chronograph hand was so accurately placed. The finishing around where the crystal sits on the case was also very very good although not as good as an original Rolex.
To summarise the outside case bracelet et cetera seem to be pretty much spot on.
Where he did start to say it was iffy was the end of the hands and the general finishing of the hands on the sub- dial this was the biggest area where he could see that it wasn't a genuine Rolex he said they would not let one out of the factory with hands that had tiny imperfections like this.
The hilarious one which I feel a bit bad about is the R that everybody talks about on here picture of it below he did not mention it. Maybe he knew I don't know. But what I do know this guy makes a living buying and selling these things and he actually thanked me for showing them to him because he had no idea that these things had got so good he was genuinely amazed.
Here is a picture of the R so everybody can complain about it
But if you are thinking of Frankening this watch it seems if you just replace the hands and you get a good watch myth you don't need to change the dial at all. After buggering around taking these pictures it is hard to see any imperfections in the dial. In my opinion they really have the dials nailed. The white gold version dialis a thing of beauty under the microscope.
The moral of the story is unless somebody is going to walk up to you with a microscope all they've got superhuman eyesight . The chances of you getting called out with this amazing watch are very low. All three of which are still running very accurately with me treating them very badly.
Is it worth the money? Well just from the arrogance of the Rolex dealers in the video it's worth the money. If I had a genuine version of this watch I definitely would sell it because with such extremely accurate replicas in my opinion you can't tell the difference now so how good are they going to get in the future?
WHAT PLANET ARE THESE PEOPLE ON https://www.chrono24.co.uk/rolex/daytona-ceramic-2019-unwornstickers--id11483932.htm
So yesterday afternoon I went to see a watch dealer friend of mine and he's friendly enough to have a look at these watches. He said they are scary good. I told him they were replicas upfront that he gave a couple of pointers to me that made him suspicious.
Funny enough he did not pick up on the dreaded serif R that everybody freaks out about on this thread...
Firstly he said that the dials were the biggest giveaway on the entire watch because the fat end of them is not finished very well and under a loupe you can see small imperfections in the hands. He said that this could either mean you have had a bad service or the watch is a wrong one. So it seems if you are obsessed with Frankening this watch getting a decent set of hands is probably the best bet. He said the dials on all three watches were completely perfect!!!!
He said the dials on all three watches were completely perfect!!!! Apart from the white gold one where the Rolex emblem had some sort of corrosion on it but he said that could be easily polished off and the watch would be super.
Then he went on in great detail about how well executed the finish of the watches were and the thickness (which is the usual tell) was spot on he then said the rehaut was damn near perfect and he also said the alignment of the dial with the rehuat was super super scary. He couldn't believe that the chronograph hand was so accurately placed. The finishing around where the crystal sits on the case was also very very good although not as good as an original Rolex.
To summarise the outside case bracelet et cetera seem to be pretty much spot on.
Where he did start to say it was iffy was the end of the hands and the general finishing of the hands on the sub- dial this was the biggest area where he could see that it wasn't a genuine Rolex he said they would not let one out of the factory with hands that had tiny imperfections like this.
The hilarious one which I feel a bit bad about is the R that everybody talks about on here picture of it below he did not mention it. Maybe he knew I don't know. But what I do know this guy makes a living buying and selling these things and he actually thanked me for showing them to him because he had no idea that these things had got so good he was genuinely amazed.
Here is a picture of the R so everybody can complain about it
But if you are thinking of Frankening this watch it seems if you just replace the hands and you get a good watch myth you don't need to change the dial at all. After buggering around taking these pictures it is hard to see any imperfections in the dial. In my opinion they really have the dials nailed. The white gold version dialis a thing of beauty under the microscope.
The moral of the story is unless somebody is going to walk up to you with a microscope all they've got superhuman eyesight . The chances of you getting called out with this amazing watch are very low. All three of which are still running very accurately with me treating them very badly.
Is it worth the money? Well just from the arrogance of the Rolex dealers in the video it's worth the money. If I had a genuine version of this watch I definitely would sell it because with such extremely accurate replicas in my opinion you can't tell the difference now so how good are they going to get in the future?
WHAT PLANET ARE THESE PEOPLE ON https://www.chrono24.co.uk/rolex/daytona-ceramic-2019-unwornstickers--id11483932.htm
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