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NEW high beat 2813? Asian 21 VERY VERY SMOOTH!
- Thread starter watchguyusa1
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Not getting what you paid for.........
None of these should be allowed to slide. A trusted dealer is just that: "A Trusted Dealer". If we don't care or let this pass, then these issues will happen again. We should all KNOW what we paid for and get exactly that. We fuel the 'industry' with this great hobby we all share. Not good for us, the dealers, or for that matter, for anyone. Hope you resolve this problem. Thanks for bringing this to light.
None of these should be allowed to slide. A trusted dealer is just that: "A Trusted Dealer". If we don't care or let this pass, then these issues will happen again. We should all KNOW what we paid for and get exactly that. We fuel the 'industry' with this great hobby we all share. Not good for us, the dealers, or for that matter, for anyone. Hope you resolve this problem. Thanks for bringing this to light.
For what it is worth, I ordered a cartel watch with a new "high beat" 21/25j. The initial QC pics showed low beat, so I rejected it on that basis. The watch that eventually showed up had a great sweep and worked well for a week or two. When setting the time (admittedly, the watch was run down at the time, something I gather is a no no), there was bad resistance and something became deranged in the movement - now the hour hand will not move at all and the watch must take a return journey to CN.
FWIW, I suspect that many if not all of the V2 SOSF's that are being sold as ETA clone have this movement.
Based on my own experience, I would rather upgrade to the "Swiss" version rather than risk getting this movement in a $200 + watch. Even if they may not be Swiss or are used/refurb or whatever, I've had nothing but good luck with them.
As far as compatibility with an ETA clone goes, I was told by the Watchsmith that everything fit but he had to crimp one of the hands or something like that it do the swap.
All and all, after the problems I had, I ended up investing the difference between the two V2 SOSF versions to get a watch with an ETA clone in it. The way it should have been from the start.
If I've learned anything from this hobby it's that you win some and you loose some, you gain a little bit more experience with each purchase. But in the end, with some patience, you can own a very satisfying watch collection that didn't cost as much as your car.
Based on my own experience, I would rather upgrade to the "Swiss" version rather than risk getting this movement in a $200 + watch. Even if they may not be Swiss or are used/refurb or whatever, I've had nothing but good luck with them.
As far as compatibility with an ETA clone goes, I was told by the Watchsmith that everything fit but he had to crimp one of the hands or something like that it do the swap.
All and all, after the problems I had, I ended up investing the difference between the two V2 SOSF versions to get a watch with an ETA clone in it. The way it should have been from the start.
If I've learned anything from this hobby it's that you win some and you loose some, you gain a little bit more experience with each purchase. But in the end, with some patience, you can own a very satisfying watch collection that didn't cost as much as your car.
If you do pull it out and remove the dial you will see it is 100% different from eta, it is the thickness of a 2836 but is not capable of operating a day wheel, has no quick change date at midnight, and is overall just different in design. I have had 2 of these apart, trust me, not a clone!
The more I hear about these movements, the more I think I'll just stick to the 2813 for my budget watches.
- 9/9/07
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Was that a dig at the dg2813 movements? I've had less problems with them than I have with the eta clones, though both are pretty solid in my book. This new thing sounds kind of questionable though.
- 24/12/11
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Ok so ive got some pics of the dial side now.
As Xman noted, its completely different from our ETA/ clones.
The date wheel is not interchangable with the ETA/clones, although the date is in the same position.
The dial feet position is the same.
The seconds hand and minute hand is the same as the ETA/ clones but the hour hand is not. The hour wheel has a larger diameter post. In order to fit the hour hand on a ETA/ clone, the hour hand hole will have to be closed slightly. 2 ways i can see to do it.
1) crimping the hour hand tube, as JDR stated, or
2) apply some loctite red to the inside of the hour hand tube, letting it dry, then broaching it slightly. (This is what I did)
The stem is not the same as ETA/ clone but the threads are so the crown will swap.
As Xman noted, its completely different from our ETA/ clones.
The date wheel is not interchangable with the ETA/clones, although the date is in the same position.
The dial feet position is the same.
The seconds hand and minute hand is the same as the ETA/ clones but the hour hand is not. The hour wheel has a larger diameter post. In order to fit the hour hand on a ETA/ clone, the hour hand hole will have to be closed slightly. 2 ways i can see to do it.
1) crimping the hour hand tube, as JDR stated, or
2) apply some loctite red to the inside of the hour hand tube, letting it dry, then broaching it slightly. (This is what I did)
The stem is not the same as ETA/ clone but the threads are so the crown will swap.
Interesting about the hour hand as I've had 2 eta swaps with these so far and one has had the hands off twice problem free. Maybe tolerances are bad on these? I'd say the hands fit well on the eta for me but maybe I'm in the minority.
Regardless I'm happy someone else has finally taken one apart so I can stop defending myself haha
Regardless I'm happy someone else has finally taken one apart so I can stop defending myself haha
BPSD 21j High Beat
I opened up my BPSD high beat and snapped a few pics.
Today is the first I ever opened a non-quartz watch so please forgive the poor shots and general lack of understanding.
FWIW here is a pic with rotor:
Here is the movement with no rotor:
DWO exposed and stock (greenish) hands - I had never seen one like this (but I know I am a nooby):
At least the hours hands that Clarks sells for ETA movements do not fit. On my watch the Clark hands are too small.
Hard to photograph, and I had no measuring device, so I tried put each on a part of a set of tweezers, you can see the stock ones, on the left, sit lower on the tweezers. Yeah I know there must be a better way to show this.
Left is Stock Right is Clark
And side view:
Left stock, Right Clark - not much of a difference but was not going to force it.
I opened up my BPSD high beat and snapped a few pics.
Today is the first I ever opened a non-quartz watch so please forgive the poor shots and general lack of understanding.
FWIW here is a pic with rotor:
Here is the movement with no rotor:
DWO exposed and stock (greenish) hands - I had never seen one like this (but I know I am a nooby):
At least the hours hands that Clarks sells for ETA movements do not fit. On my watch the Clark hands are too small.
Hard to photograph, and I had no measuring device, so I tried put each on a part of a set of tweezers, you can see the stock ones, on the left, sit lower on the tweezers. Yeah I know there must be a better way to show this.
Left is Stock Right is Clark
And side view:
Left stock, Right Clark - not much of a difference but was not going to force it.
- 24/12/11
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Thats a good question...as of right now, no one really seems to know exactly what this movement is. The rep dealers are probably your best bet.
But in my opinion, I wouldnt look to be replacing it with the same thing, Id go with either one of the real ETA clones or a gen ETA. The hour hand fitment might be a problem, but its workable. The rest of it is a straight forward swap.
I agree. Even if you have to get a new set of hands. At least for Rolex the Tudor style hand set is available anywhere and they're cheap.
If you want to swap this movement with an eta clone, what do you need?
-Movement
-Hands
- stem?
- datewheel?
anything else?
-Movement
-Hands
- stem?
- datewheel?
anything else?
- 24/12/11
- 67,017
- 18,627
- 113
You will obviously need the movement.
You can make the hibeat hour hand fit but it takes a little work
The minute and seconds hands fit perfectly
So you might need the hands, depends on how handy you are.
you will need the correct stem for the movement you are using (ETA)
The crown will swap perfectly
The date wheel position on the hibeat25 is the same as ETA factory placement
so if youre running a rolex, then you will need a DWO for a rolex. My steelfish uses a stock eta datewheel, so i didnt need anything there.
The dial fit perfectly, and the movement ring fit perfectly
The stem and the dw both come with the new movement. In most all cases, all you'll need other than the movement is the hour hand (maybe) or a new handset. You just have to cut the new stem to fit and transfer over the dwo to the new movement. Nothing difficult.