NEW high beat 2813? Asian 21 VERY VERY SMOOTH!

[Raddave]

The only difference from the ETA clone I'm seeing is the rotor is made to look like a Rolex.

There other differences too, look at the click and the dial feet retention method.

I just recieved one of these in a Steelfish (advertised as Asian ETA Clone 2836) and it is utter junk.

Mine has a normal rotor, not the perforated rotor.

If you knowingly get one of these, you should be willing to swap it out for a better movement

 

[watchman12345]

How is it utter junk?

 

[Raddave]

well for starters, the quick date adjustment only work for a few of the dates, then when it hits the "bad "dates, you have to go back into the time set to change the date.

Then theres a couple of dates where the wheel wont fully advance, but it does on the next date.

Also its very hard to get it into the date set position. And also as i was running the time fwd to get the date to advance it started flipping at 1100 pm and it has gotten now to around 800pm when it flips

And somtimes its hard to get into the time set position.

EDIT: its got a nice smooth sweep to it tho

 

[Luthier]

According to Xmen on RG:
Despite the cosmetic similarities to an ETA clone movement, it is nothing more than a DG3804, which is a variant of the DG2813.
Edit: Could it also be a cheaper version of Hangzhou 6460?

Sorry to disappoint you, mate, but DG-3804 and HZ-6460 are GMT Movements.
DG is low beat, HZ is hi-beat.

 

[tr573]

well for starters, the quick date adjustment only work for a few of the dates, then when it hits the "bad "dates, you have to go back into the time set to change the date.

Then theres a couple of dates where the wheel wont fully advance, but it does on the next date.

Also its very hard to get it into the date set position. And also as i was running the time fwd to get the date to advance it started flipping at 1100 pm and it has gotten now to around 800pm when it flips

And somtimes its hard to get into the time set position.

EDIT: its got a nice smooth sweep to it tho

If your date changeover time is changing I think you have hands that are sticking and dragging each other, rather than a junk movement necessarily. If the minute hand catches the hour hand and pulls it while you're changing time, that would happen

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[Raddave]

If your date changeover time is changing I think you have hands that are sticking and dragging each other, rather than a junk movement necessarily. If the minute hand catches the hour hand and pulls it while you're changing time, that would happen

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Well yes i realize that, but the finiky time set /date set problems leads me to believe that there is a keyless problem too. Not being able to source movment parts for this movement also presents a problem, as regular clone/ETA parts wont fit, and its not a $20 2813, so a cheap drop in replacement is not available at present .

What really bothers me is that these might replace our regular clone ETAs, instead of the 21j s

 

[tr573]

Well yes i realize that, but the finiky time set /date set problems leads me to believe that there is a keyless problem too. Not being able to source movment parts for this movement also presents a problem, as regular clone/ETA parts wont fit, and its not a $20 2813, so a cheap drop in replacement is not available at present .

What really bothers me is that these might replace our regular clone ETAs, instead of the 21j s

Agreed there. I won't be buying any until we're sure what they are and we have a replacement source

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[JDR]

I had nothing but problems with my Asian clone SOSF. Movement got stuck and had it repaired. Then date change issues so I finally had KATT swap in an Asian clone I had. KATT said he wasn't too familiar with this movement and didn't have parts to properly fix it, so the info in this thread regarding this movement as not a true ETA clone makes sense.

 

[P4GTR]

The movement begs the question, if properly maintained is it worth a damn? If it could provide many years of service, then be directly replaced with an ETA in case of total failure, why not try one?

I know many parts were mentioned to be interchangeable, specifically the dial having the same post position as ETA, does it also have the same DWP (date window position)?

I still want to try one of those BPSD's with this movement.

 

[cybee]

So is this a new (inferior quality) version of the clone movement which we will still pay the current clone price?

Something a little fishy here.

 

[P4GTR]

So is this a new (inferior quality) version of the clone movement which we will still pay the current clone price?

Something a little fishy here.

I don't think it's fishy. I think perhaps this is just a improved mvmt filling the old 21j price point. There will still be the clone and Swiss movement options aboIve and beyond this one. This is my assumption, pure speculation.

 

[45acp]

So is this a new (inferior quality) version of the clone movement which we will still pay the current clone price?

Something a little fishy here.

Except they're not charging the same price for it. This new movement seems to be only about $20 more expensive than a 21j.

 

[Raddave]

Except they're not charging the same price for it. This new movement seems to be only about $20 more expensive than a 21j.

In my case they did charge the same, and it was advertised as a "Asian ETA Clone 2836". I paid 200+ for it . The 21j from a different TD is 138. This TD did not offer a 21J.

Anyway, heres the movement, without rotor.

 

[Xman]

Luthier, your quote with reference to me is nothing I stated, that was stated by someone else, thanks.

Anyways, I've had these apart and tried to shed some light on them but everyone seemed "know" what they were already so I gave up.

Word of warning to all! These are NOT high quality clones! PLEASE help the community by not paying clone prices for these, we would be taken advantage of when this happens.
With that said, these are a Fantastic alternative to the "21j" and a momentous step forward for us in that regard! I really do hope these become accepted by all makers as the new budget "21j" alternative, I will buy twice the volume of watches as I do now!

Thanks.

 

[45acp]

In my case they did charge the same, and it was advertised as a "Asian ETA Clone 2836". I paid 200+ for it . The 21j from a different TD is 138. This TD did not offer a 21J.

Anyway, heres the movement, without rotor.

I would take that up with the mods, then, because you deserve a refund.

 

[kambeix]

nice info raddave, someone should take this movement under the microscope and do a comparison with the eta clone!

 

[Raddave]

well i guess ive got to pull it and get some pics of the dial side.....my TD is refusing to believe that this is not a 2836 clone....

 

[45acp]

well i guess ive got to pull it and get some pics of the dial side.....my TD is refusing to believe that this is not a 2836 clone....

It's far from impossible that the factory (or dropshipper) made a mistake in providing the watch to your dealer. It happens. Hopefully you can find a way to prove that it isn't the good Asian 2836.

 

[trailboss99]

It's far from impossible that the factory (or dropshipper) made a mistake in providing the watch to your dealer. It happens. Hopefully you can find a way to prove that it isn't the good Asian 2836.

Now that would be impossible, we don't have any dropshippers as TD's here.

 

[rsh]

It's far from impossible that the factory (or dropshipper) made a mistake in providing the watch to your dealer. It happens. Hopefully you can find a way to prove that it isn't the good Asian 2836.

I find this unacceptable, you should get what you pay for.