NEW high beat 2813? Asian 21 VERY VERY SMOOTH!

[watchguyusa1]

well I have to say I am very impressed with the new high beat 2813 movt's as of late, I have 2 watches with this new movt, some may say its a 4813? IDK, but I feel this is a great leap forward in our hobby, the sweep of the second hand is unbelievably SMOOTH! you really have to see it in person , it actually is smoother than a gen eta 2836 when compared side by side! how can this be? they both have the same beat rate? also it seems the DG company is making these movements, thats the one with the circle and 3 sticks out the top "stamped logo" under the balance wheel , these have proven to be much more reliable than the other 2813 made by "nanning" company (oval with NN inside the logo stamp-most noob factory watches use this one) so far the power reserve is over 30 + hours and both have been running within 10 seconds a day as-is , but I am sure they can be regulated even better! WOW cheaper watches , better quality WIN-WIN

 

[TESLA760]

Nice font

 

[tanweekiat]

well I have to say I am very impressed with the new high beat 2813 movt's as of late, I have 2 watches with this new movt, some may say its a 4813? IDK, but I feel this is a great leap forward in our hobby, the sweep of the second hand is unbelievably SMOOTH! you really have to see it in person , it actually is smoother than a gen eta 2836 when compared side by side! how can this be? they both have the same beat rate? also it seems the DG company is making these movements, thats the one with the circle and 3 sticks out the top "stamped logo" under the balance wheel , these have proven to be much more reliable than the other 2813 made by "nanning" company (oval with NN inside the logo stamp-most noob factory watches use this one) so far the power reserve is over 30 + hours and both have been running within 10 seconds a day as-is , but I am sure they can be regulated even better! WOW cheaper watches , better quality WIN-WIN

Where did you get the movement from?

And avoid such font.

 

[45acp]

Are you taking about the new movements coming in the cartel/BP maker watches? From what I've read it's not a 21j
2813, but instead a "new breed" as they're calling it 25 movement. Can anyone confirm?

 

[watchguyusa1]

I have 2 vintage cartel rolexes with "high beat" 28,800 BPH 21J movements they were only $118 each! and although a high beat is inaccurate for a vintage rollie ,I am just delighted about this particular movt.

 

[watchguyusa1]

uh.. is there something wrong with the larger font I used? am I missing something? I use that since I have bad eyesight LOL

 

[DocEdelschick]

He was kidding, the font is fine.

 

[Luthier]

There's no such a thing, as "hi-beat" DG-2813, as well, as there's no such a thing, as "21j".
All DG-2813 have 22 jewels (see picture).
The movement you're talking about, is, probably, DG-4813, that also has 22 stones, but 28,800bph. It's made by Guangzhou Dixmond factory. Nanning 2813 is the crappiest one, the best one come from Hangzhou Mov't Factory.

 

[watchguyusa1]

There's no such a thing, as "hi-beat" DG-2813, as well, as there's no such a thing, as "21j".
All DG-2813 have 22 jewels (see picture).
The movement you're talking about, is, probably, DG-4813, that also has 22 stones, but 28,800bph. It's made by Guangzhou Dixmond factory. Nanning 2813 is the crappiest one, the best one come from Hangzhou Mov't Factory.

yes I didn't think they had a high beat 2813 but thats how the cartel are advertising it..
http://www.ttw888.com/index.php?mai...d=5535&zenid=c04fcd548c14fbfa15c91ef3fc84aa28

 

[45acp]

This is the new movement I think people have been talking about:

I'm not an expert, but it doesn't look like the other pictures of 4813 movements I can find.

 

[txrob779]

Hey fellas....There are no less than 5 Chinese movement factories and only ONE is Dixmont-Guangzou. The 21j thing is something we came up with back in the day to label this Chinese low budget movement. We called clones CN2836, CN2813 etc...
read:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...vs-beginmariner-14350?t=14350&highlight=CN21j
Also here
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...uide-asian-133671?t=133671&highlight=txrob779

 

[agfa421]

@watchguyusa1

Could you please post some pics of the watches you got? how is the rotor noise compared to ETA? how is the crown winding? what about datewheel allignment?http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/member.php?u=3148

 

[txrob779]

Good lord dude...really?

 

[watchguyusa1]

uh... never mind

 

[KBH]

This is the new movement I think people have been talking about:

I'm not an expert, but it doesn't look like the other pictures of 4813 movements I can find.

That looks like an ETA clone to me.

 

[45acp]

That looks like an ETA clone to me.

Exactly, except it's different from the image on Josh's website for the ETA clones. The dealers are calling it a "25j 28800bph 2813 ... New breed movement", but it doesn't appear to be a 2813 or 4813.

 

[Luthier]

Here's a few pics of DG-4813:

 

[KBH]

Exactly, except it's different from the image on Josh's website for the ETA clones.

The only difference from the ETA clone I'm seeing is the rotor is made to look like a Rolex.

 

[45acp]

The only difference from the ETA clone I'm seeing is the rotor is made to look like a Rolex.

Well, unless the images used on the page for the $148 ($168 with ems included) watch are wrong (that's where I got them from), then this is essentially a much cheaper ETA clone. I'd be interested to see a shot of the movement from somebody who ordered one of these watches.

 

[kambeix]

According to Xmen on RG:

"This movement has actually been in the market before but was advertised and sold as an eta clone. Glad that they are finally selling it as what it truly is, a new Asian caliber that takes design cues from eta but is completely different!
I feel I should shed some light on this caliber as I've owned and disassembled them before. I'm hoping it becomes the new "21j" in the market as it has several very positive points.
1. While movement will not accept eta stems the crown will. At least the example I had was the same threads on the stem as an eta, that's a huge plus for eta swaps.
2. Same dial feet position as eta. Different locking method using screws but works as good.
2. Hands have the same tube size as eta, .....I think you guys know where I'm going with this lol.
3. Movement ring works for eta.....
All in all as a movement I didn't think it was great, but as a "new 21j replacement" I'd say this is a monumental step forward for the hobby!!! It lets you buy a watch on the cheap, try it out, and if you like it and decide it should have a eta or clone, you can install it!!!
Easily on of the best things to happen in the hobby in a long time if its identical to the movements I had.
Best of luck gents.

Edit: forgot to mention, no quick change date at midnight, slow like the a7750's."

Also on RG:

"
Despite the cosmetic similarities to an ETA clone movement, it is nothing more than a DG3804, which is a variant of the DG2813. I guess they're making 2813s or 4813s with this reverser and rotor configuration now.

At any rate, not an ETA clone, but not a new movement either."


Edit: Could it also be a cheaper version of Hangzhou 6460?

http://www.borealiswatch.com/produc...movement-gilt-color-hangzhou-6460-same-specs/

Edit2: Also on RG

"Despite the cosmetic similarities to an ETA clone movement, it is nothing more than a DG3804, which is a variant of the DG2813. I guess they're making 2813s or 4813s with this reverser and rotor configuration now.

At any rate, not an ETA clone, but not a new movement either."

Link to image:
http://www.perpetual-watch.com/images/GMT_glassback.JPG