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New EXPLORER I 214270 39MM BP
- Thread starter Matteo1989
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here is the watch after the modification i think the 6 is a bit north but i can accept i think
opinions?
https://ibb.co/nBt83dT
opinions?
https://ibb.co/nBt83dT
On PureTime there is no BP Explorer only GMF or ARF, from previous replies on this people have said GMF and BP are the same factory, however pure time state the movement as 3132 on their GMF,
https://puretimewatch.io/explorer-i...edition-black-dial-on-ss-bracelet-sa3132.html
but BP has a movement of 2824?
https://www.intime04.co/rollie/5915...ack-dial-904l-ss-case-and-bracelet-a3824.html
Am I missing something here? or is this a the same or different?
https://puretimewatch.io/explorer-i...edition-black-dial-on-ss-bracelet-sa3132.html
but BP has a movement of 2824?
https://www.intime04.co/rollie/5915...ack-dial-904l-ss-case-and-bracelet-a3824.html
Am I missing something here? or is this a the same or different?
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Those are different watches. GMF and BP are the same like JF and ARF are the same. Closely aligned, but not identical.
Looking forward to your review!
The hour marker at 10 o'clock also doesn't look perfectly centered. It also looks like there is some sort of dust around the 6 if you zoom in, and the triangle at 12 o'clock seems a bit chipped off on the bottom inside, but not sure if you can see that in reality.
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slashFAslash
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Are the dials comparable though? I pulled the pics from Puretime and Intime and put them side by side, GMF left (rotated since they didn't have a straight dial shot) and BP on the right side.
Since the GMF is using a clone movement it would be easier to swap the dial into the ARF if the TDs sell the dial separately.
Edit: Also added ARF into the pic, full size image link: https://picr.me/image/VS8qHf
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Sead told me that GMF and BP are the same factory but nobody could ever know everything about these factories!
Anyway, sold few months ago my arf, than missed too much and explorer in my box, so I've bought a GMF (which should be the same as BP) and miss so much my arf. In the thread dedicated to the arf explorer I've explained my point of view and that choosing between the two is actually very difficult. The above pictures show a gmf which appears slightly different from the bp, but it depends on the light and on the slighly different inclination of the watch. Imho those two dials are identical.
Ah, my GMF is fitted with an asian 2824 movement and I've been told I could have it also with a clone movement.
Anyway, sold few months ago my arf, than missed too much and explorer in my box, so I've bought a GMF (which should be the same as BP) and miss so much my arf. In the thread dedicated to the arf explorer I've explained my point of view and that choosing between the two is actually very difficult. The above pictures show a gmf which appears slightly different from the bp, but it depends on the light and on the slighly different inclination of the watch. Imho those two dials are identical.
Ah, my GMF is fitted with an asian 2824 movement and I've been told I could have it also with a clone movement.
- 12/3/18
- 34,664
- 66,762
- 113
Are the dials comparable though? I pulled the pics from Puretime and Intime and put them side by side, GMF left (rotated since they didn't have a straight dial shot) and BP on the right side.
Since the GMF is using a clone movement it would be easier to swap the dial into the ARF if the TDs sell the dial separately.
Edit: Also added ARF into the pic, full size image link: https://picr.me/image/VS8qHf
The BP and GMF do look alike. It's hard to tell for certain as the pics are different lighting snd quality. The GMF numeral markers are noticeably thicker looking. We may just be seeing more lume reflection creating that appearance.
I can tell you for sure that are some differences between other models (Batman and RG TT GMT come to mind) regarding BP vs GMF. So they may be under the same ownership but also are likely located separately and get parts from different suppliers.
You are right about the dial swap being easier from one superclone movement to another, although clipping the feet and gluing new ones on a dial is not a dealbreaker. I would certainly try to get a dial alone if that's all you want from a GMF watch.
Thanks slashFAslash, for putting the pictures next to each other.
One aspect I often notice is the spacing between the 12 o'clock triangle and minute markers. At the BP, it's almost touching while others use a spacing similar to the other hour markers. If I'm not mistaken the BP has the correct spacing if I compare it to gen pictures.
One aspect I often notice is the spacing between the 12 o'clock triangle and minute markers. At the BP, it's almost touching while others use a spacing similar to the other hour markers. If I'm not mistaken the BP has the correct spacing if I compare it to gen pictures.
I'm so confused. But I will say I personally have chased the perfect rep. By having dials and braclets switch. Sometimes with 3 donor watches. Adding gen parts. Etc.
All to get a gen looking rep that will only impress us rep hobbyists. Not to mention the cost.
Example. I have a noob Daytona with dial. Cost over $1000 to make. For a rep!!!! Then added gen bezel $900 and gen crystal sealed with gen gasket. $350. Serviced movement with gen parts. $600. Gen rubber B. $155 (used).
$3,000
Do I have brain damage. Maybe. Would I do it again. Yes. This is a grail watch for me. To buy used now is like $20k!!!! Mine is SS model with no more new being sold.
Having said all of that. I had an ARF 3132 oyster perpetual. With the grey dial. Sold it. Still miss her. Great out if the box.
Sorry got on a roll there. Ha
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All to get a gen looking rep that will only impress us rep hobbyists. Not to mention the cost.
Example. I have a noob Daytona with dial. Cost over $1000 to make. For a rep!!!! Then added gen bezel $900 and gen crystal sealed with gen gasket. $350. Serviced movement with gen parts. $600. Gen rubber B. $155 (used).
$3,000
Do I have brain damage. Maybe. Would I do it again. Yes. This is a grail watch for me. To buy used now is like $20k!!!! Mine is SS model with no more new being sold.
Having said all of that. I had an ARF 3132 oyster perpetual. With the grey dial. Sold it. Still miss her. Great out if the box.
Sorry got on a roll there. Ha
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From the 3 side-by-side pictures, I noticed GMF's hour markers width resemble Gen (based on photos) closely, while BP is too wide and AR too slim. What do you think?
That observation seems indeed correct, from the above pictures. Interesting, never noticed this.
Noticed the same with the hour markers, but I think it’s largely 3 different sets of lighting highlighting the reflective surround at different levels. So hard with these comparison pics.
I remember reading a comment somewhere (can't find it now) that BP has a "better" crown compared to "GM"; anyone has some pix to show or knows what it meant by better? Thank you.
Hi guys, QC opinion please.
Specifically, the grunge under the 3. Am I being overly picky?
https://ibb.co/gSgv1GZ
https://ibb.co/WctZFx3
Thanks!
Specifically, the grunge under the 3. Am I being overly picky?
https://ibb.co/gSgv1GZ
https://ibb.co/WctZFx3
Thanks!
The... 'debris' on the underside of the 3. I can't decide if it'll catch my eye in real life.
Robbie @ Aootime, TD over at RWG.
Thanks.
I don’t see a debris. Do you have other QC pics?
The watch looks good tho’ imho and untrained eyes.
I don’t see a debris. Do you have other QC pics?
The watch looks good tho’ imho and untrained eyes.
Really? I must be going nuts.
I don't need - nor expect - perfection, and there are other issues on the watch to get picky about, but this one is right there on the face making me paranoid I'll be able to see it clearly. Visual paranoia, lol.