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I don't know if it's appropriate to answer in that thread as I am considered a competitor, but since my product has been mentioned above I'll write my honest thoughts.

I've been working in-depth with crystals for over a year, I saw in person almost every procedure done in order for sapphire crystals to be manufactured. I've seen in person the cutting of rough corundum/sapphire, giving them shape and polish in order to appear as watch crystals, I have discussed with experts about the magnification effect and how it is achieved. I have discussed about AR applications, durability and other parameters, I even been in a lab while applying the AR coating on lenses.

I am not going to say my personal opinion on the above product ( I did in private with OP, who also asked me to post my thoughts here), but I am going to post about AR crystals in general.

My personal suggestion to everybody interested in buying such a crystal is first to question themselves for what are they looking for. Are they looking for the cheapest available option? Are they looking for the clearest AR? Are they looking for gen-spec crystals?

What you have to consider is that you have to see a review out of an independent reviewer who will have all available crystals, under the same light conditions and will shoot pictures from multiple angles.

After that you have to consider that a crystal is not only the AR coating, actually it's the exact opposite, literally AR coating doesn't even consist 1% of the crystal. The shape of the crystal matters a lot, not only for gen spec appearance but also for light distribution, that "rolex bling" which every rep crystal lack. That has nothing to do with AR. Every other crystal I've seen so far is "just another crystal with AR coating applied"

It's really great having a lot of options but what I am going to suggest is to wait to see all the available options and evaluate them. Prices mentioned in above posts may not apply to "non prototype" products so give it some time to see them in person.

If anyone needs my personal opinion about the product advertised above feel free to send me a PM.

Oh bellow I am attaching a non-AR tc crystal to show you that the black hole effect can be present even with non-AR crystal at specific light conditions/angles. That's why I said I above you have to wait for an independent review.

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For people in the business it's really not the best thing to have much competition, but for the average "consumer" it's amazing. 2017 is going to be amazing for rolex modding.

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Asmo
exactly.

I think what people need to look at is do they want gen spec, do they want nice looking, do they want an "invisible" crystal, etc.

The work you are doing with those sub c xtals is amazing and basically makes using a gen c12 obsolete in the rep world, and potentially the gen world as those c12s are becoming harder and harder to find.

The Crystal Clear, in all my conversations with them, are not in the oem spec game, but more they are just after the best aftermarket "invisible" sapphire crystal. myself and others pushed for the blackhole, since the blackhole is a sought after rolex trait in the rep game, and they have taken the criticism of the AR hue to heart and have adjusted the formula to give it a more gen look.

And the Profs are amazing as well, but like CC, not exactly gen spec. Ive said it multiple times, but I wish most gens came with double AR xtals. the invisible xtal effect, the floating cyclops, etc. is a sight to see. Even the rolex fanatics and purists that I occasionally hang out with really loved that double AR gmt xtal I had a while back, and I know a couple of them looked into buying for their watches.
 

Spinman

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So what do you guys think of the newer black hole (Blue) tint crystals versus the original Crystal CleAR green tint AR ones?
Are they better looking in your opinion? I don't have one yet, so I can only look at the pictures.
 

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i think the date mag looks too weak, just my opinion based on the photos in OP
 

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What if I want a xtal that is clear but has a coating or filter like a camera lens to make the colors "pop"?

So not so much about having the "clearest" crystal, but best all around. Since they are all really clear already.
 

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I don't know if it's appropriate to answer in that thread as I am considered a competitor, but since my product has been mentioned above I'll write my honest thoughts.

I've been working in-depth with crystals for over a year, I saw in person almost every procedure done in order for sapphire crystals to be manufactured. I've seen in person the cutting of rough corundum/sapphire, giving them shape and polish in order to appear as watch crystals, I have discussed with experts about the magnification effect and how it is achieved. I have discussed about AR applications, durability and other parameters, I even been in a lab while applying the AR coating on lenses.

I am not going to say my personal opinion on the above product ( I did in private with OP, who also asked me to post my thoughts here), but I am going to post about AR crystals in general.

My personal suggestion to everybody interested in buying such a crystal is first to question themselves for what are they looking for. Are they looking for the cheapest available option? Are they looking for the clearest AR? Are they looking for gen-spec crystals?

What you have to consider is that you have to see a review out of an independent reviewer who will have all available crystals, under the same light conditions and will shoot pictures from multiple angles.

After that you have to consider that a crystal is not only the AR coating, actually it's the exact opposite, literally AR coating doesn't even consist 1% of the crystal. The shape of the crystal matters a lot, not only for gen spec appearance but also for light distribution, that "rolex bling" which every rep crystal lack. That has nothing to do with AR. Every other crystal I've seen so far is "just another crystal with AR coating applied"

It's really great having a lot of options but what I am going to suggest is to wait to see all the available options and evaluate them. Prices mentioned in above posts may not apply to "non prototype" products so give it some time to see them in person.

If anyone needs my personal opinion about the product advertised above feel free to send me a PM.

Oh bellow I am attaching a non-AR tc crystal to show you that the black hole effect can be present even with non-AR crystal at specific light conditions/angles. That's why I said I above you have to wait for an independent review.

9P8xZkB.jpg



For people in the business it's really not the best thing to have much competition, but for the average "consumer" it's amazing. 2017 is going to be amazing for rolex modding.

Regards
Asmo

Sorry for the noob question, but when you mean they are not gen spec, you refer to what? Thickness? Angle of the edge? Clarity?


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I'll describe it with a generic term, "shape", "quality", "treatment". I can't measure the thickness by looking at a picture.
 

2fake4u

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Sorry for the noob question, but when you mean they are not gen spec, you refer to what? Thickness? Angle of the edge? Clarity?


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id say the Crystal CleAR crystals themselves are on the same quality level as the Profs, Startime, and some of the other generic sapphire crystals you can buy. The difference between prof/CC and those generic ones is the AR coating. The generic ones either dont use AR, or have some really bad AR on them.

as for being gen spec, Crystal CleAR isnt trying to make replica crystals. In fact, they have been adamant that they arent a "Replica Parts Supplier". They are just providing quality sapphire crystals with their AR coatings applied to them.

Like was said, if you want gen spec with a replica LEC and an xtal that is exactly like the gen, Asmodeus has a great solution. They arent really competitors, since Asmo is focusing on one xtal to be exactly like the real deal, and these guys arent. Apples and oranges comparison.
 

Spinman

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Whoo.... You mean i got 1 of 50?

From what some of the people on here have said, yes. Supposedly there were only 50 Rouge's made. If you have one, then it would be one of those 50. I'm sure that some people have probably built a few using parts from TC, ie LV Hour hand and YM seconds hand, etc. As for completed watches, the number I have heard was just 50. I may be misinformed, but that's probably a pretty accurate number.
 

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I hope Asmodeus will soon have his crystals up for sale. I would love to have a gen spec crystal that looks just like the c12 without the crazy price that Gens are going for now. Quite frankly, I can't afford to pay $300-$350 for a crystal for each of my Reps. lol

2017/2018 looks to be an interesting year for us indeed. Even the much-maligned JF LV/LN has helped to change the price point/game for Frankens.


btw, I also have a thread on RG that's similar to this one where I specifically mention great things are coming from Asmodeous as well. I had no idea of his pricing, at the time, nor when he was going to come to market with his offering.

Here's the thread
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?283779-Ginault-Ocean-Rover-and-TC-s

I did quote Prof's crystal price as $190 instead of the correct $158 + Shipping.

Here is my quote from that thread.

"The Crystal CleAR is a much better alternative than TC. It's an incredibly Gen like crystal, and it's price is much better than other black hole alternatives. The company is planning on selling them for $90 USD. This one has a little bit of a green tint on the cyclops AR. You can only see it in pictures. In real life, it's not there.
They are releasing a new version that uses Blue instead of Green AR and it should look much better. They're supposed to release it this week.
Here's their website. https://www.dsxtals.com/"
Prof is now charging $190 USD for his black hole crystal, and it's great, but the price is really steep. It's too close to the gen price, IMO. $90 is a great price and a wonderful crystal. Competition and choices are great! Asmodeous is going to have some crystals out soon too. So, keep an eye out for all the various options. I'll be ordering some Black AR'd crystals from Crystal CleAR when I get the chance."
 

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From what some of the people on here have said, yes. Supposedly there were only 50 Rouge's made. If you have one, then it would be one of those 50. I'm sure that some people have probably built a few using parts from TC, ie LV Hour hand and YM seconds hand, etc. As for completed watches, the number I have heard was just 50. I may be misinformed, but that's probably a pretty accurate number.

Question friend, is that "50" with Signature Díal or "50" total of different Rouge variation created by TC? Thanks I've always wondered myself, great topic would be great to get that data on all those members that have them... [emoji1422]


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Spinman

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Question friend, is that "50" with Signature Díal or "50" total of different Rouge variation created by TC? Thanks I've always wondered myself, great topic would be great to get that data on all those members that have them... [emoji1422]


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That's an excellent question and I'm afraid that I don't have the answer to that. I assume by signature dial you are referring to the "Caddell" watches. Hopefully some of the other more knowledgeable members will answer this.
 

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Here’s another pic of the CC black hole. I think it’s a great alternative. Especially for the price point. It may be a little hard to get the full effect because of my mother of pearl dial. Thank @Spinman


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Spinman

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Oh my i have a Rouge never realised they were that rare
I think Velox said that you had an amazing collection.
Here's what he said "He's one of the good guys like us here. Ask him about his collection"

It sounds like he was right!