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IWC 3878 Spitfire From ZF factory

Fettekatze

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So I've taken it apart for you guys. I let out the mainspring tension and that didn't help. Seems like the the mainspring is winding but somewhere along the way to the balance wheel is jammed. One half of the head of one of the movement screws was missing so that's probably tumbling in around there somewhere. I'm not sure how to proceed any further.

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The top side of the movement looks like any other 7750 I can find online. It doesn't seem to have the additional geartrain of the old sec@6 IWC's in this thread:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...bomb-solved?p=2430810&viewfull=1#post-2430810

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Thanks for ur input and pictorial of the teardown. [MENTION=76613]turpissima[/MENTION] OP got 5 times critical failure with this watch, 5times repaired by IWC, other 3878 users are strongly recommend to not to use flyback mechanism because it may cause serious problems.
 

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It's not just the 3878 but the 89--- movement series as it is used in many different models.
I have never read that the flyback should not be used? I have two versions of this movement (89361 and 89365) and have never had any issues at all with the flyback. You will also note that there are many, many people who state they have had no problems. I have followed these threads on various boards and in particular the guy who was very vocal stated in one thread that he repeatedly pressed the flyback and had issues. In my opinion with any mechanical device there is a possibility of failure if you continually/ repeatably use it in a way that it was not designed for. In my line of work we have customers who have continual problems with equipment whereas we have others with identical equipment who never have a problem. In the majority of cases it is the person using it that is the common factor to failure. Maybe the guy was unlucky or there is an inherent weakness with the flyback if used in certain ways, the only statement I can make based on actual experience is after having these gens for over a year I have had no issues.
I'm sure guys on here will have their own opinion, some based on actual experience but many on anecdotal evidence.

Take meowschwitz and his Spitfire that stopped, a number of people jump on his issue to justify the movement is no good, correct me if I am wrong or misread it but it sounds like there is a broken screw head floating around in the movement. Ok so it doesn't prove the actual movement is good or bad but in this case it is an assembly issue. The usual lack of good quality control from a chinese manufacturer making fake goods for low costs.
Same goes for the 5001 movement, some have had bad experiences and all the naysayers come out saying it's crap based on other peoples experience, not their own. I feel for the guys who have had failures but my experience so far is that the movement is good.
Such is life..............
 

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It's not just the 3878 but the 8----- movement series as it is used in many different models.
I have never read that the flyback should not be used? I have two versions of this movement (89361 and 89365) and have never had any issues at all with the flyback. You will also note that there are many, many people who state they have had no problems. I have followed these threads on various boards and in particular the guy who was very vocal stated in one thread that he repeatedly pressed the flyback and had issues. In my opinion with any mechanical device there is a possibility of failure if you continually/ repeatably use it in a way that it was not designed for. In my line of work we have customers who have continual problems with equipment whereas we have others with identical equipment who never have a problem. In the majority of cases it is the person using it that is the common factor to failure. Maybe the guy was unlucky or there is an inherent weakness with the flyback if used in certain ways, the only statement I can make based on actual experience is after having these gens for over a year I have had no issues.
I'm sure guys on here will have their own opinion, some based on actual experience but many on anecdotal evidence.

Take meowschwitz and his Spitfire that stopped, a number of people jump on his issue to justify the movement is no good, correct me if I am wrong or misread it but it sounds like there is a broken screw head floating around in the movement. Ok so it doesn't prove the actual movement is good or bad but in this case it is an assembly issue. The usual lack of good quality control from a chinese manufacturer making fake goods for low costs.
Same goes for the 5001 movement, some have had bad experiences and all the naysayers come out saying it's crap based on other peoples experience, not their own. I feel for the guys who have had failures but my experience so far is that the movement is good.
Such is life..............

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It's not just the 3878 but the 89--- movement series as it is used in many different models.
I have never read that the flyback should not be used? I have two versions of this movement (89361 and 89365) and have never had any issues at all with the flyback. You will also note that there are many, many people who state they have had no problems. I have followed these threads on various boards and in particular the guy who was very vocal stated in one thread that he repeatedly pressed the flyback and had issues. In my opinion with any mechanical device there is a possibility of failure if you continually/ repeatably use it in a way that it was not designed for. In my line of work we have customers who have continual problems with equipment whereas we have others with identical equipment who never have a problem. In the majority of cases it is the person using it that is the common factor to failure. Maybe the guy was unlucky or there is an inherent weakness with the flyback if used in certain ways, the only statement I can make based on actual experience is after having these gens for over a year I have had no issues.
I'm sure guys on here will have their own opinion, some based on actual experience but many on anecdotal evidence.

Take meowschwitz and his Spitfire that stopped, a number of people jump on his issue to justify the movement is no good, correct me if I am wrong or misread it but it sounds like there is a broken screw head floating around in the movement. Ok so it doesn't prove the actual movement is good or bad but in this case it is an assembly issue. The usual lack of good quality control from a chinese manufacturer making fake goods for low costs.
Same goes for the 5001 movement, some have had bad experiences and all the naysayers come out saying it's crap based on other peoples experience, not their own. I feel for the guys who have had failures but my experience so far is that the movement is good.
Such is life..............

A nice voice of reason without jumping to conclusions!

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I took the datewheel and plate underneath it off, and you can see the sec@9 -> sec@6 geartrain. It seems pretty robust. I have no reason to believe this would be any less robust than the sec@9 7750's.

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I fully let down the mainspring via this video, shook the movement, and the stupid screw head fragment came out. It immediately started working! It must have been lodged in the mainspring geartrain. The movement tab screwed in just fine even with half the screw head missing. *pat myself on the back*

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So have no fear! As long as the person assembling YOUR watch wasn't careless and let FOD float around in the movement, the watch should be good. Order away!

Either way I won't use the chrono again just to be safe. You can see it mounted on the aftermarket brown gator strap next to the crummy rep strap.
 

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Thanks for the update meow! Good to see that the movement is better than the old sec@6
 

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Great job Meow! Did you understand if using the chrono may be linked to the failure? It seems only a defective component!
 

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Great job Meow! Did you understand if using the chrono may be linked to the failure? It seems only a defective component!

The chrono wasn't linked to this failure at all. I wore this watch to sleep and I guess it got jammed an hour before I woke up. All the chrono-mechanism levers and springs seemed fluid and tight when I was in there playing around with them. This is my first time opening up a 7750 and boy are there a lot more parts on the underside than a 2824. I had to remove and reinstall the bridge because I over-bent the anti-reversal spring when unwinding the mainspring and had to bend it back.
 

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So have no fear! As long as the person assembling YOUR watch wasn't careless and let FOD float around in the movement, the watch should be good. Order away!

Either way I won't use the chrono again just to be safe. You can see it mounted on the aftermarket brown gator strap next to the crummy rep strap.

Great! Thanks a lot for. :)
May I ask (please forgive me if that has been mentioned before) where you got the strap from?
 

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Sweet, ups is due today for me as well

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Sweet watch. Dial is a little more brownish than I expected. Movement does feel nice and tight.

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Guys I get a new one after rejecting the first QC. To me seems fine I only see the hand of the 12 subdial crono slightly misaligned but this seems acceptable and maybe could be fixed at first service. For the other part seems OK, I don't think I can get better than this. What do you think?
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I would take it, it won`t get better. The chrono hand missalignment is next to nothing and easy to fix if needed.