Finally the best rep fiddy in the world!!!

[babola]

sorry to disagree yours is the best. I got my own formula:

1. Andrew's fiddy http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4925
2. put Davidsen's crystal (may not need to upgrade it) and hands in

That's it.
And Andrew's comes SL'd already. That's at least $70 savings. I don't own it yet but I will.

Not true 'bklm'...so I guess will have to disagree with your "disagreement" 8)
The crowns and crown guards are the same on all rep Fiddys these days, being from Andrew, Joshua, Eddie Lee, DSN...I have had so far 3 diferent "the best" Fiddys in the last 9 months or so, and I can attest to that. You seem to have missed the whole thing about the latest mov't in Michalis' Fiddy, as well.

Both Michalis and myself went thru number of these in the past, and bring at least some "weight" behind our statements we publicly make on forums like these.

Since you haven't bought it yet, I suggest you do that first and tell us your thoughts afterwards... :wink:

cheers,
babola

 

[michalis6]

sorry to disagree yours is the best. I got my own formula:

1. Andrew's fiddy http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4925
2. put Davidsen's crystal (may not need to upgrade it) and hands in

That's it. Look at the CG on Andrew's fiddy. Nice and fat.

Check out the real thing:

Yours (Ed's), well, doesn't cut it yet.

Neither does Davidsen's.

And Andrew's comes SL'd already. That's at least $70 savings. I don't own it yet but I will.

I will disagree with your disagreement too, just because I had on my desk both Andrew's and Ed's fiddies last week!
The crowns are exactly the same but the crown guard on yours is off the gen. Your case is totally wrong the bezel thin, the dial printing wrong and the mvt engraving funny.
Of course these are things that only you and I could tell, nobody else around us. But it is all about passion. I paid $300 more for things that I will be the only one to notice.. This is my way and I am proud of it :twisted: :twisted:

 

[sexybeast]

ok, so where do i get engraved bridges? can i buy them seperate and then attach?

 

[ragerover]

I will disagree with your disagreement too, just because I had on my desk both Andrew's and Ed's fiddies last week!
The crowns are exactly the same but the crown guard on yours is off the gen. Your case is totally wrong the bezel thin, the dial printing wrong and the mvt engraving funny.
Of course these are things that only you and I could tell, nobody else around us. But it is all about passion. I paid $300 more for things that I will be the only one to notice.. This is my way and I am proud of it :twisted: :twisted:

Im not defending anyone...but I just want to point out that you are mostly going by pictures! (which is why shopping for a rep can be so difficult). The angle, lighting, etc is not the same as the pic of the gen, so I think compairing a watch to gen going only by pics is not fair (to anyone).

Both Babola and Michalis6 have handled several versions of these reps as well as the gen...so I have no reason to doubt them when they say this is the closest (i.e. "most perfect") version out at the moment.

IMHO, I don't think the 127/217 case will get any better. Unless some dealer shells out $10,000+ for a PAM 127 or 217, I think this is the closest the case will get (I hope I am wrong!).

 

[michalis6]

ok, so where do i get engraved bridges? can i buy them seperate and then attach?

Many people tried but none of the dealers sell them separatelly. Just buy the whole watch from Ed and sell yours

 

[ragerover]

Some of the dealers sell the complete movement. So although you probably can not get the bridges, you can get a complete new movement.

If you like your watch, why sell it. Just swap the movement.

 

[michalis6]

Some of the dealers sell the complete movement. So although you probably can not get the bridges, you can get a complete new movement.

If you like your watch, why sell it. Just swap the movement.

Only Eddie carries this mvt right now nobody else. And he does not sell it without the watch :lol:

 

[ThumbModds]

Some of the dealers sell the complete movement. So although you probably can not get the bridges, you can get a complete new movement.

If you like your watch, why sell it. Just swap the movement.

Only Eddie carries this mvt right now nobody else. And he does not sell it without the watch :lol:

I checked around with alot of suppliers he appears to be exclusively selling this watch movement combo, buy it now before they are gone.

It is a great deal on a Fiddy with a swiss movement Eddie states he 100% gaurentee's the movement is swiss or your money back. He also 100% guarentee's the crystal is sapphire or your money back.

you have to contact him directly for the info on this watch.

I ordered one yesterday.

 

[turbotony]

I must be missing something here as Andrew has been advertising the swiss movment with the fancy swan neck in the Pam127 for some months now. which one is the best?

 

[ThumbModds]

the flaw everyone misses is the palette arm bridge is incorrrect on most of the engraved "fiddy's".

this is a example of a incorrect palette arm bridge.

this is a example os a correct palette arm bridge

 

[horologie_unitas]

beautiful....

well thats all i can say.....looks perfect...i guess you earned it after countless hours of research and having - knowing the right people. Happy for you...and a little envious....smile....in a good way.
who did the technical upgrade on it ? would you share ? does anyone have a good recommendation for a independent watchmaker that works on UNITAS based reps.....for a fair price ? i would be greatful for this info.
thanks in advance replying to me...
the unitas watchfreak

 

[turbotony]

Ah! I see the difference now. Great looking watch I might add.

 

[babola]

the flaw everyone misses is the palette arm bridge is incorrrect on most of the engraved "fiddy's".

Hiya,
I wouldn't call it incorrect, just different. The original Swiss based ETA 6497 movt's comes in both versions - single-screw attached pallet or two-screw pallet. Single-screw attached pallet used to come some 50-60 years ago in ETA powered pocket watches, and as such hasn't been seen since in new watches.

How do I know this - my watchmaker showed me a Swiss pocket watch made in early 60's - and it had the same single-screw attached pallet to the baseplate.

Asian mov't rep makers either got hold of some large stock of NOS 'old-ETA 6497' mov'ts or simply copied that particular (now vintage) type of movement. My watchmaker had a look at the questionable E series ETA 6497 with single-screw pallet attachment in my Fiddy and concluded it's 'sweet as', base ETA mov't with Asian add-ons.

More discussion about this movement can be found in the original Ziggy's post on RWG.

cheers,
babola

 

[ThumbModds]

Ah! I see the difference now. Great looking watch I might add.

there is a hunderd dollar difference but the only mods eddies will nbeed is cannon pin and superlume.

His model already has Deep blue ar coating, and correct movement.

here are Eddie's spec's

NEW 1950
100% SAPPHIRE FRONT AND BACK
---IF NOT 100% REFUND---not synthetic sapphire A.K.A. MINERAL

. 47MM
. 1:1 CASING
. GENUINE SWISS ETA 6497-1J MOVT- 100% SWISS, IF NOT 100% REFUND
. Fatter crown guard like original
. New back plated, adjustable swan neck
. Laser engraved back plate
. Sharper font, and smoother engraving
. Exact engraving font like original
. White gold plated engraving plate to retard oxidation

$399.00 + 25 ems shipping

this is what eddie is charging

the flaw everyone misses is the palette arm bridge is incorrrect on most of the engraved "fiddy's".

Hiya,
I wouldn't call it incorrect, just different. The original Swiss based ETA 6497 movt's comes in both versions - single-screw attached pallet or two-screw pallet. Single-screw attached pallet used to come some 50-60 years ago in ETA powered pocket watches, and as such hasn't been seen since in new watches.

How do I know this - my watchmaker showed me a Swiss pocket watch made in early 60's - and it had the same single-screw attached pallet to the baseplate.

Asian mov't rep makers either got hold of some large stock of NOS 'old-ETA 6497' mov'ts or simply copied that particular (now vintage) type of movement. My watchmaker had a look at the questionable E series ETA 6497 with single-screw pallet attachment in my Fiddy and concluded it's 'sweet as', base ETA mov't with Asian add-ons.

More discussion about this movement can be found in the original Ziggy's post on RWG.

cheers,
babola

Yes, you are correct, however the fiddy's were released with the 2 screw pallette bridge.

Also ziggy cited instability in the single screw pallette bridge movements and the main spring had a tendency to hang up one the bridge.

Which in the case of the single screw palette arm bridge ins't even technically a bridge due to the fact that a bridge technically needs an anchor point on both sides of a span.

 

[ThumbModds]

here is a pick of a gen fiddy off panerai site.

 

[babola]

Yes, you are correct, however the fiddy's were released with the 2 screw pallette bridge.

Also ziggy cited instability in the single screw pallette bridge movements and the main spring had a tendency to hang up one the bridge.

Which in the case of the single screw palette arm bridge ins't even technically a bridge due to the fact that a bridge technically needs an anchor point on both sides of a span.

Not only Fiddy, all the Historic PAMs (Vendome era onwards) and other Swiss 6497 powered mechanical watches come with the two-screw bridge movement. The single-screw bridge mov'ts haven't been produced by ETA for some time now, and mainly reduced to 'vintage' models.

The problem Ziggy identified was related to an incorrect mounting of a spring wire which will get in the way of a c0ck. Also, this seemed to be the case with early series of this rep mov't, as confirmed by both Ziggy and Mark (finepics).

What I'm trying to say here really, is that movt's with either single or double screw pallet are both correct ETA configs, the only diference is they've been used during different manufacture periods. They will both function properly if assembled 'correctly'.

Whether the mov't reps makers simply repped the "old" one, or got their hands on NOS ETA leftovers is another case for discussion 8)

cheers,
babola

 

[ThumbModds]

Yes, you are correct, however the fiddy's were released with the 2 screw pallette bridge.

Also ziggy cited instability in the single screw pallette bridge movements and the main spring had a tendency to hang up one the bridge.

Which in the case of the single screw palette arm bridge ins't even technically a bridge due to the fact that a bridge technically needs an anchor point on both sides of a span.

Not only Fiddy, all the Historic PAMs (Vendome era onwards) and other Swiss 6497 powered mechanical watches come with the two-screw bridge movement. The single-screw bridge mov'ts haven't been produced by ETA for some time now, and mainly reduced to 'vintage' models.

The problem Ziggy identified was related to an incorrect mounting of a spring wire which will get in the way of a c0ck. Also, this seemed to be the case with early series of this rep mov't, as confirmed by both Ziggy and Mark (finepics).

What I'm trying to say here really, is that movt's with either single or double screw pallet are both correct ETA configs, the only diference is they've been used during different manufacture periods. They will both function properly if assembled 'correctly'.

Whether the mov't reps makers simply repped the "old" one, or got their hands on NOS ETA leftovers is another case for discussion 8)

cheers,
babola

Yes I do understand.

Thank you for taking the time to reiterate.

LWA

 

[babola]

Yes I do understand.
Thank you for taking the time to reiterate.
LWA

Thanks for the kind words, LWA...

Glad to be of service, whatever that might be :lol:
babola

 

[turbotony]

so what happens if the cannon pin mod is not done? will the watch keep going or stop?

 

[vaccum]

so what happens if the cannon pin mod is not done? will the watch keep going or stop?

Cannon pin fix is not related to the movement reliability, it is an aesthetic issue.

vaccum