Well, at the end of the day everyone can do as they like in as much it does not affect the next person. I will rock my replicas all the way.
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Ethical thoughts on buying reps
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Well, at the end of the day everyone can do as they like in as much it does not affect the next person. I will rock my replicas all the way.
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The association of Swiss banks cannot confirm nor deny this allegations...
That's not immoral if true, because "Swiss neutrality" is national policy there: "Grüezi Herr Goering, oh you stole that gold from your victims? Don't worry. We Swiss are neutral and did Nazi that! We can hold it for you anyway."
🫣Actually, it's kinda sad and I shouldn't joke about it... IF it's true.
very dark chapter and quite sad one actually as the victims got only a fraction back...
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Hi guys
Bringing back this thread from the dead.
I am a new member here (and in the rep world)
I possess a few gens, and I couldn’t care less about hurting Rolex or others.
However, I’m more concerned about encouraging child labour or criminal networks.
Do we have a tangible idea of the working conditions in the rep factories (compared to standard asian factories, not to european or us ones), or is only suppositions ?
Bringing back this thread from the dead.
I am a new member here (and in the rep world)
I possess a few gens, and I couldn’t care less about hurting Rolex or others.
However, I’m more concerned about encouraging child labour or criminal networks.
Do we have a tangible idea of the working conditions in the rep factories (compared to standard asian factories, not to european or us ones), or is only suppositions ?
muiramas
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Puretime have said there in no child labour involved.
That being said, I’m not overall comfortable in applying American or European standards on that issue worldwide as younger people may have to work if their parents are sick or incapable. The usual threshold that is mentioned in ESG reporting is 14. I would also happily send my 12 y/o to work - it would get them off Tik Tok for a start…
As for encouraging and supporting criminal networks - you’re guilty.
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I mean if people are concerned and shocked about child labor, we only need to look in our backyard for such examples
100 %I mean if people are concerned and shocked about child labor, we only need to look in our backyard for such examples
I think conditions in factories all over the World (outside CONUS and Europe) are far from idealic.
In terms of the ethical question I think workers are treated according to the individual factory and what it is producing as it's end products.
If we take a closer look at the Reps and the factories making them I think we'll find the workers are probably treated quite well in comparrison to say, a trainers factory or a concrete post-making factory, for two reasons;
Firstly, the watches being produced and assembled take skill and apttitude to do so. Whoever gets employment working in these places has a degree of ability and concentration that is a base requirement of the work in hand. For these high-end Reps we're mostly dealing anyway.
Secondly, if workers were treated appallingly they coulld 'shop' the factory to the authorites and have it raided. I know raids take place regularly but I think this has probably got more to do with inter-rivalry and new kids on the block trying to topple established "Rep brands", etc.
In summary - my conscience is pretty much clear - it's evident from looking at a decent Rep that some pretty decent conditions must have been present - both in terms of factory and workers. I hope I'm right in that supposition.
In terms of the ethical question I think workers are treated according to the individual factory and what it is producing as it's end products.
If we take a closer look at the Reps and the factories making them I think we'll find the workers are probably treated quite well in comparrison to say, a trainers factory or a concrete post-making factory, for two reasons;
Firstly, the watches being produced and assembled take skill and apttitude to do so. Whoever gets employment working in these places has a degree of ability and concentration that is a base requirement of the work in hand. For these high-end Reps we're mostly dealing anyway.
Secondly, if workers were treated appallingly they coulld 'shop' the factory to the authorites and have it raided. I know raids take place regularly but I think this has probably got more to do with inter-rivalry and new kids on the block trying to topple established "Rep brands", etc.
In summary - my conscience is pretty much clear - it's evident from looking at a decent Rep that some pretty decent conditions must have been present - both in terms of factory and workers. I hope I'm right in that supposition.
That the counterfeit watches industry is linked to any sort of bad things is a refrain that is used mainly by the swiss watch industry to support their campainging (in order to increase prices even more while cutting costs). See as an example this esquire "piece":
www.esquire.com
Counterfeit Fashion Is Funding Terrorism, Sweatshops, and Untold Human Misery
Still worth it?
www.esquire.com
Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I think about TOMS, now gone, their thing was: buy a pair of their guru shoes and they'd send a free pair to Africa to go to people in need of some shoes.
Sounds great on paper but all it did was put local cobblers out of business. Now the cobbler needs shoes and can't feed his family.
Every spring-summer here in the USA, many women and some men will venture into their backyard and find a little newborn baby deer laying underneath cover behind a shed or something all by itself, the distraught human will then pick it up an run it to an animal shelter where they proceed to inform them that it's mother strategically left the fawn there to remain hidden while she went to gather food and that they have just separated the baby deer from it's mother, potentially forever.
The people making the reps do it for $$$, they have families to feed too. Buy them or don't buy them but as others said there plenty of things to be concerned about, just google "cobalt mines congo" and you'll want to give up your phone, laptop and TVs, but like me, you won't.
I think about TOMS, now gone, their thing was: buy a pair of their guru shoes and they'd send a free pair to Africa to go to people in need of some shoes.
Sounds great on paper but all it did was put local cobblers out of business. Now the cobbler needs shoes and can't feed his family.
Every spring-summer here in the USA, many women and some men will venture into their backyard and find a little newborn baby deer laying underneath cover behind a shed or something all by itself, the distraught human will then pick it up an run it to an animal shelter where they proceed to inform them that it's mother strategically left the fawn there to remain hidden while she went to gather food and that they have just separated the baby deer from it's mother, potentially forever.
The people making the reps do it for $$$, they have families to feed too. Buy them or don't buy them but as others said there plenty of things to be concerned about, just google "cobalt mines congo" and you'll want to give up your phone, laptop and TVs, but like me, you won't.
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Boils my piss that one, in particular the tonnes and tonnes mined for production of EV Batteries, which of course the worldwide gooberments all tell us these are oh so environmentally friendly
And after these Batteries are produced, and die, which they all do, in UK they currently have no idea what to do with them so they are currently all
muiramas
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Yeah, the whole EV thing with the fashion / virtue signalling of having a new £80k battery on your driveway / school run is probably the most environmentally harmful trend in automotive history.
There’s also the factor that these electric cars produce massive amounts of power thus using a massive amount of resource, I’m sure manufacturers could easily detune them to run a lot less power but produce much higher miles per charge and actually be much more energy efficient if they actually did care about that
But of course people don’t see a physical thing going into the car so they don’t think too hard about
Maybe the blinkers will come off some day
I personally like electric cars just because they’re just less noisy and comfortable and driving them feels less stressy and there’s not 100 things that can go wrong with it, unlike Range Rovers
But of course people don’t see a physical thing going into the car so they don’t think too hard about
Maybe the blinkers will come off some day
I personally like electric cars just because they’re just less noisy and comfortable and driving them feels less stressy and there’s not 100 things that can go wrong with it, unlike Range Rovers
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Man, I had an Evoque some time ago.
One of my fave of the cars I owned/drove
One day the wife bumped it. Nothing major, but all the electronics just shut down. Car had to be hauled away
But I really enjoyed it