Did i get scammed??? SOLVED

[hooligan]

Re: Moonlight sonata...

you got me wrong
i was not offended and i didn't say anything about personal attacks
i don't care if the post is still active

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to intimate that you said you were being attacked, personal attacks/flames are just the most prevalent reason threads like this get locked. I was simply trying to communicate that I didn't see anything here that would warrant locking the thread. Quite the opposite, really, as I said above.

FWIW, I don't think you need to keep the watch for fear of ruining your reputation or damaging your hobby here. Far from it.

However, having said that, I'm glad that you decided to keep it. I think it's a great piece -- truly rare and unique.

If you had returned it, I'm sure JoJo would have found another buyer. Actually, should you decide to move it later on, I'm pretty certain you'll be able to find a buyer, as well.

Enjoy the watch, I think it's a stunner, and I'm not even a Rollie guy...

 

[cybee]

Re: Stairway to Heaven.

LOL now we're back to Beethoven....sheesh.

 

[fakemaster]

Re: Did i get scammed??? NO SOLVED

So let's change that thing to 'SOLVED'

 

[rbj69]

Re: Moonlight sonata...

you got me wrong
i was not offended and i didn't say anything about personal attacks
i don't care if the post is still active

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to intimate that you said you were being attacked, personal attacks/flames are just the most prevalent reason threads like this get locked. I was simply trying to communicate that I didn't see anything here that would warrant locking the thread. Quite the opposite, really, as I said above.

FWIW, I don't think you need to keep the watch for fear of ruining your reputation or damaging your hobby here. Far from it.

However, having said that, I'm glad that you decided to keep it. I think it's a great piece -- truly rare and unique.

If you had returned it, I'm sure JoJo would have found another buyer. Actually, should you decide to move it later on, I'm pretty certain you'll be able to find a buyer, as well.

Enjoy the watch, I think it's a stunner, and I'm not even a Rollie guy...

this is basically how i feel about but worded better than i word things, lol

enjoy that beauty and if u or anyone needs my help in matter like this feel free to ask , that is what makes me enjoy the forums , helping people with knowledge i have accumulated over the years, stay tuned i have some stunning project completed to show off , wowowowowowo

joe ( rbj69)

 

[Dizzy]

Re: Did i get scammed???

...if it had a swiss eta mvt instead, it would cost less than 1000 even with all the work on it
just my opinion

But it *doesn't* have an ETA movement. It's still a Rollie movement, just with some aftermarket replacement parts.

If I put aftermarket brake pads on a car, does it cease to be a Chevrolet/Fiat/Jaguar/whatever?

If the watch is working fine, what's the difference? The movement is still a Rolex movement, looks like one, beats like one, has a Rolex datewheel, etc.

End of the day, I think you still got what you paid for. However, if you want a refund and JoJo wants to refund you, so be it.

@RJ the modder - How do you put Tudor hands (designed for an ETA movmenet used in Tudor) onto a rolex 1570 movement? Tudor hands fit ETA as many people use in rep submariners. I have clarks tudor sub hands on one of my ETA subs, but if RJ put tudor hands on this, then its not a 1570 cal rolex movement (aftermarket parts or otherwise)

am i wrong?

dizz

 

[Dizzy]

Re: Moonlight sonata...

...maybe it is time for a mod to lock the post too

So, let me get this straight. You create this thread when you weren't getting any resolution to your problem. The staff does their job and reaches out to JoJo and tries to investigate the issue. Now that you have your resolution and people are starting to disagree with your position, you want this thread to go away. Is that about right?

I see no reason to lock this thread. There have been no personal attacks that I've read. Quite frankly, there is some very valuable discussion going on here that would benefit the forum to read. What to expect from 40 year old movements that are no longer supported by the manufacturer, for example. I had no idea that Rolex had stopped making parts for these movements and would no longer repair them if the parts weren't available. Did you?

Perhaps I'm the only one who has learned something from the discussion here? It's possible, I suppose.

I'm trying not to be pissy about this, but please don't try to tell the staff how to do our job. If one of use views this thread as lock-worthy, we'll discuss it and take the appropriate (in our eyes) actions. Thanks.

I've gotta agree this thread should stay open. There is a valuable lesson to be learned here regarding buying any franken watch. You never know exactly what you are getting even if the seller is 100% transparent and honest. You never know who repaired that old movment say 10 or 15 yrs ago and what they did to it... who knows what your gettings especially when you have a mix of replica, gen, aftermarket, new and used parts. I dont think there is anyone to blame here. $2300 for a franken sub to me is very expensive IMHO but then again thats prob what it would cost to build one after you buy all the parts and pay for labour. Anyone buying a watch of this calibre should do a LOT of homework before they purchase. I would never have guessed the movement to be fake from the pics. It looks gen and i dont think anyone was lying.. but like i said, you never know what happned to that movement during its long life in that old datejust. Im glad you guys worked this out.

Buyer Beware

dizz

 

[michalis6]

I am just very curious why JoJo has not responded to any of my emails or PMs after the sale. The only communication I had with him after the sale was his two posts here in public. Even after my final decision to keep the watch I sent him a very polite PM telling him about my decision, about the closing of the paypal dispute and wished him the best in his life...
I also, asked him if he would like to stick with his primar offer in this post and work something out if I decided to keep it. I suggested a partial refund of 300 USD just to make me feel better about the latest mvt inspection. I also told him that there is no problem if he doesn't want to do this and that everything would be fine even without the refund.

I don't know if i did something wrong but if i had sold a 2300 franken to someone I would have replied to him once, especially if he had tried to contact me more than ten times

well....i am not accusing anyone........just a little complaining.........life is still good

 

[hooligan]

I can agree to that. I would expect some polite communication after the sale, no matter if it was a $200 or $2300 watch. Weird.

However, just because I would *expect* the communication doesn't mean the seller *owes* me the communication. I have no idea what JoJo's motives are.

 

[cybee]

Re: Moonlight sonata...

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I've gotta agree this thread should stay open. There is a valuable lesson to be learned here regarding buying any franken watch. You never know exactly what you are getting even if the seller is 100% transparent and honest. You never know who repaired that old movment say 10 or 15 yrs ago and what they did to it... who knows what your gettings especially when you have a mix of replica, gen, aftermarket, new and used parts. I dont think there is anyone to blame here. $2300 for a franken sub to me is very expensive IMHO but then again thats prob what it would cost to build one after you buy all the parts and pay for labour. Anyone buying a watch of this calibre should do a LOT of homework before they purchase. I would never have guessed the movement to be fake from the pics. It looks gen and i dont think anyone was lying.. but like i said, you never know what happned to that movement during its long life in that old datejust. Buyer Beware

dizz

I agree with every word of that...One thing this thread has done is cause me to read up a lot about these movements and ask a lot of questions. I ticked off 2 AD's just trying to get some answers, and funny how they all seem to have a slightly different opinion... It has actually been a fun learning experience for a Rolex Noob like me.

There is a terribly rusted 1570 on eBay right now I'm thinking of bidding on for practice purposes, I would love to learn these inside and out and then maybe build my own vintage Sub, that would be cool to do.

A question: Does anyone know if the Singer dial only fits on Rolex movements??? or will they also fit some Eta's. I was told that they only fit Rolex. Browsing eBay for various parts is fun but it's like swimming in shark infested water, ya better know what you're looking for.

 

[xbt123]

Well, last week I bought the ultimate red 1680 sub from member JoJo35. It is supposed to be fully modded with ORIGINAL 1570 ROLEX MVT....I paid 2300 USD for my dream watch. After receiving it first thing i realized was that all the case engravings where wrong....L serial number!!! plus model 5513 instead of 1680! Today i went to three different watchmakers that service rolexes daily. They all stated that the mvt is not gen except for the upper bridge with the engraved "rolex 1570" etc ......They also stated that the mvt has rust on it from possible water damage..None of the above was stated at the sales post ...
i attach some pics and all opinions are welcomed.
Please have in mind that: I don't say that the mvt is fake for sure this is something that three watch-guys said and I would like to get some opinions here.
I asked for a refund anyways because of the rust and the wrong engravings
Three PMs to JoJo35 the last 2-3 days with no response
I asked for a return with full refund
please help me somehow..2300 USD

movement is not fake it is 100% rolex, that is not rust that is brass showing from the age of the movement, the movement is made from brass and coated in nickel and when it gets old the nickel wears off and you see the brass, the balance is correct for this model, freesprung with microstella adjusters, it has the correct blued hairspring. you cant buy a replacement balance or any replacement parts for rolex, rolex will take you to court if you make parts for their watches. a balance from another watch will not fit this watch, gears from other watches will not fit this watch, parts from other watches will not fit this movement, so that means that all the parts have to be genuine because only genuine parts will fit genuine rolex. this is why rolex stops working on old movements because there are no parts for them even rolex doesnt have any parts to fix old watches.

nothing bad about this movement at all, 100% rolex movement looks like it should look after 40 years, but jojo made to look like a scammer.

 

[rbj69]

Re: Moonlight sonata...

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I've gotta agree this thread should stay open. There is a valuable lesson to be learned here regarding buying any franken watch. You never know exactly what you are getting even if the seller is 100% transparent and honest. You never know who repaired that old movment say 10 or 15 yrs ago and what they did to it... who knows what your gettings especially when you have a mix of replica, gen, aftermarket, new and used parts. I dont think there is anyone to blame here. $2300 for a franken sub to me is very expensive IMHO but then again thats prob what it would cost to build one after you buy all the parts and pay for labour. Anyone buying a watch of this calibre should do a LOT of homework before they purchase. I would never have guessed the movement to be fake from the pics. It looks gen and i dont think anyone was lying.. but like i said, you never know what happned to that movement during its long life in that old datejust. Buyer Beware

dizz

I agree with every word of that...One thing this thread has done is cause me to read up a lot about these movements and ask a lot of questions. I ticked off 2 AD's just trying to get some answers, and funny how they all seem to have a slightly different opinion... It has actually been a fun learning experience for a Rolex Noob like me.

There is a terribly rusted 1570 on eBay right now I'm thinking of bidding on for practice purposes, I would love to learn these inside and out and then maybe build my own vintage Sub, that would be cool to do.

A question: Does anyone know if the Singer dial only fits on Rolex movements??? or will they also fit some Eta's. I was told that they only fit Rolex. Browsing eBay for various parts is fun but it's like swimming in shark infested water, ya better know what you're looking for.

yep singer dials can fit both movments, but u have to make them fit the eta movments and on the rolex movment the feet match up so it is basically two screws to lock it down only because they were made for that movment , but u can make it work on any movment as long as the datewheel lines up properly , hope this helped

joe(rbj69)

 

[fakemaster]

you know M, you're not happy with it. return the watch. ship it fedex insured. then have jojo Refund u.

 

[michalis6]

movement is not fake it is 100% rolex, that is not rust that is brass showing from the age of the movement, the movement is made from brass and coated in nickel and when it gets old the nickel wears off and you see the brass, the balance is correct for this model, freesprung with microstella adjusters, it has the correct blued hairspring. you cant buy a replacement balance or any replacement parts for rolex, rolex will take you to court if you make parts for their watches. a balance from another watch will not fit this watch, gears from other watches will not fit this watch, parts from other watches will not fit this movement, so that means that all the parts have to be genuine because only genuine parts will fit genuine rolex. this is why rolex stops working on old movements because there are no parts for them even rolex doesnt have any parts to fix old watches.

nothing bad about this movement at all, 100% rolex movement looks like it should look after 40 years, but jojo made to look like a scammer.

good job maybe you could become a movie writer

 

[xbt123]

simple solution post the pictures on time zone and see what the experts tell you it is a genuine rolex movement nothing fake at all

 

[michalis6]

simple solution post the pictures on time zone and see what the experts tell you it is a genuine rolex movement nothing fake at all

five experts including official rolex watchmakers inspected the mvt and said that it has aftermarket parts
even rbj said that it is very often for these mvts to have aftermarket parts

you saw two pics of it and you want to have an opinion???
go take a shower

 

[fakemaster]

you know M, you're not happy with it. return the watch. ship it fedex insured. then have jojo Refund u.

 

[Klink]

well, for sure

it is not at all

an ostrich!

maybe a pregnant aardvark..

which are best viewed in the dark,

them being nocturnal and all..

maybe what is needed here is?

An Aardvark Varnisher!



Life is Good!

Klink

'one tomato, two tomato, three tomato four!"

 

[michalis6]

that's why i asked from the mods to lock the post

 

[Klink]

jar of beans got very wel.. swelled up...

and buss tha jar!

thas why we swithing to baggies, plastic thingsy..

!?

Ony gets lock ony bets opinionated

bin of looooooooooney..

ever body wiv out dodorant stinky...

antihill alla ants gone differ direct

eeeeeoneys!

Life is Good!

K

 

[hooligan]

Alright, everyone keep it civil in here. I know diddly about Rolex movements, so if anyone wants to point out what is or is not a gen part, and why you believe so, feel free. If nothing of value is posted by tomorrow, she'll get the ol' lock treatment.

Fakes, we get it. Stop quoting/repeating yourself, please.