CTime is a scam

[daytonadude]

To help with understanding the mods:

- fix pinion cap: this has to do with making the cap at the top of the hand pinion more accurate to gen. It’s a purely aesthetic tiny modification but some people ask for it. It’s similar to the pinion cap mod on the 5712. See picture of gen below. Quite expensive if you ask me.
- slightly polish the watch: my understanding is that stock GMTs sometimes come with sharp edges on the case and bracelet, which makes them uncomfortable. So some people choose to have a polish done to smooth those edges out.
-deep crystal: this is the most sensical of mods on this watch, the stock clean crystal isn’t that good so updating it with a deep creates a “black hole” dial effect favored by many.

I’ve bought watches from @CTime, they are a lovely team and have had an insane influx of orders given their apparent proximity to Clean. Their modder has made mistakes a few times: a lot of dust in the crystal after mods to one watch, messing up a pusher on another, etc. Coupled with the Clean GMT bezel’s propensity to be so grease filled that one could lube up all the toys in a sex shop, I’m sure that OP’s watch had a bezel issue which led it to fall off, but I wouldn’t put the entire responsibility on CTime.

Easy fix imo: bring it to a watchmaker and have CTime give you a credit for the repair cost on your next purchase. Sounds appropriate to me when a “slight polish” costs almost $200 USD…

Photo of the pinion on a genuine watch:

 

[Toolwatchtool]

Maybe CTime is TD where u can buy stock watches. But my advice is definitely stay away for mods, the pics he will send you doesn’t reflect reality. The modders are not professional, what is the point to pay for upgrades if the crystal is dirty from inside for example or with a shitty quality one. What is the point to polish the watch if the watch will arrive extremely dirty. It’s fake ads…he promises a good work and at the he doesn’t give a shit…one of his quick answer abt the bezel for me was I don’t see the problem…people have different standards…lol thank you Mr CTime for taking my money, I should apologise maybe now ?

When you buy mods, the point is to upgrade your watch, when you pay the prices you expect the TD to choose a nice watch for you to check if everything is alright before shipping, if movement is good. Not to make a quick shitty work and no care about clients expectations. This is unprofessional and not ethical and I don’t think CTime has his place here for advertising mods to members. Maybe as TD it’s more simple, stock watch stay untouched. When I ordered for example from Domi, he was very friendly send me some pictures and the watch arrived in perfect condition. You got what you paid.

You can say whatever you want…for me he is scamming people when they order with mods. That is fact…

I totally understand that you are frustrated and upset. Additionally, I have never purchased from CTime. I have spoken with Mr. Li on several occasions and found him to be a knowledgeable and courteous person.

It is very possible that CTime sends their watches out to another location for modification. If this is the case, CTime provided photos to you for QC which you approved, and then they sent the watch out for mods. Did you receive QC photos after the watch had been modified? This part is very important. If no photos were provided by the modder to either you or CTime, CTime is only aware that they sent a watch that you approved in good working and cosmetic order to be modified.

The issue you have seems to be with the person or outfit who performed the modifications. Totally understandable considering what you received is far from your expectation. I feel anyone would take issue with it.

Here is the problem as I see it...you most likely accused Ctime of the wrongdoing. I agree, they are certainly responsible for whoever they have performing mods as CTime has a private arrangement with them. However, CTime has done no modifications to your watch and more than likely doesn't know how it was sent out unless they received the watch back or were provided detailed photos from the modder. I suspect the watch was sent directly from the mod service to you. How it left the modder in that condition is puzzling but mistakes can and do happen.

Let's get you what you paid for. Open a help desk ticket so that RWI can liaise on your behalf. Being emotional and harshly communicating with Chinese salespeople rarely end in a positive outcome.

 

[TESLA760]

To help with understanding the mods:

- fix pinion cap: this has to do with making the cap at the top of the hand pinion more accurate to gen. It’s a purely aesthetic tiny modification but some people ask for it. It’s similar to the pinion cap mod on the 5712. See picture of gen below. Quite expensive if you ask me.
- slightly polish the watch: my understanding is that stock GMTs sometimes come with sharp edges on the case and bracelet, which makes them uncomfortable. So some people choose to have a polish done to smooth those edges out.
-deep crystal: this is the most sensical of mods on this watch, the stock clean crystal isn’t that good so updating it with a deep creates a “black hole” dial effect favored by many.

I’ve bought watches from @CTime, they are a lovely team and have had an insane influx of orders given their apparent proximity to Clean. Their modder has made mistakes a few times: a lot of dust in the crystal after mods to one watch, messing up a pusher on another, etc. Coupled with the Clean GMT bezel’s propensity to be so grease filled that one could lube up all the toys in a sex shop, I’m sure that OP’s watch had a bezel issue which led it to fall off, but I wouldn’t put the entire responsibility on CTime.

Easy fix imo: bring it to a watchmaker and have CTime give you a credit for the repair cost on your next purchase. Sounds appropriate to me when a “slight polish” costs almost $200 USD…

Photo of the pinion on a genuine watch:

People actually pay for that mod ?

 

[daytonadude]

People actually pay for that mod ?

On the 5712 it makes a difference, but on this…

 

[TESLA760]

On the 5712 it makes a difference, but on this…

How would anyone notice this while you're wearing the watch ?

 

[Toolwatchtool]

How would anyone notice this while you're wearing the watch ?

 

[Feefo]

How would anyone notice this while you're wearing the watch ?

My friend Clark, journalist at the Daily Planet, notices

 

[CentralCal]

This guy has posted a review, gave a detailed breakdown of what was ordered, how much was paid for it, what the reasonable expectation was, what was delivered, and posted photos of what was received and you guys are piling on him asking him for even more proof, asking why he would have selected these options, and treating him like he's a problem, and even demanding that he "prove it"????

What the hell is wrong with everyone? I too have had a positive experience with CTime, but where do we get off having blind faith in a dealer that we act like it is impossible that a mistake may have happened. He literally detailed it out and provided photos!!!!!, and you guys are almost at the pointing of attacking HIM !??!??

We all know that CTime hasn't set out to scam him from the beginning, but you all are acting like it is impossible to have a bad experience with a dealer. Really???

Giving the benefit of a doubt to an established dealer is one thing, attacking a reviewer for their experience is a new low (but seems to be the trend lately).

If people can't feel safe to share their experiences here with us, then why do we exist??

Everyone needs to check themselves. This isn't good.

 

[wisedennis]

I've owned one of those pressure testing machines for the past decade and it was a great investment. I test my watches I do want to get wet to 5 bar, and it really gives you peace of mind. They are under $100, and worth it if you want to take a questionable watch swimming.

Additionally, if OP is suspect of the watch being a clean factory, feel free to post the serial on the rehault and bracelet code, and I am check to see, but frankly, that grease in the bezel tells me all I need to know.

And the fact that CTime is a trusted vendor.

It is quite possible the modder did him dirty, as I've never had experience having a TD send my watch out for additional services.

This is a decent Heat and pressure test chamber for DIY water pressure and steaming pressure testing. If the watch survives one complete cycle, I get 1000% peace of mind swimming with it

 

[Caboose]

This is a decent Heat and pressure test chamber for DIY water pressure and steaming pressure testing. If the watch survives one complete cycle, I get 1000% peace of mind swimming with it

Oh my. Please tell me more about this procedure.

Because pressure testing is usually non-destructive... this looks pretty destructive if it fails.

 

[Toolwatchtool]

This is a decent Heat and pressure test chamber for DIY water pressure and steaming pressure testing. If the watch survives one complete cycle, I get 1000% peace of mind swimming with it

Additionally, you can have your porridge ready at the same time the pressure test is complete.

 

[AskMeAgain]

To help with understanding the mods:

- fix pinion cap: this has to do with making the cap at the top of the hand pinion more accurate to gen. It’s a purely aesthetic tiny modification but some people ask for it. It’s similar to the pinion cap mod on the 5712. See picture of gen below. Quite expensive if you ask me.
- slightly polish the watch: my understanding is that stock GMTs sometimes come with sharp edges on the case and bracelet, which makes them uncomfortable. So some people choose to have a polish done to smooth those edges out.
-deep crystal: this is the most sensical of mods on this watch, the stock clean crystal isn’t that good so updating it with a deep creates a “black hole” dial effect favored by many.

Ok thank you.
This now makes total sense.

Looking at the pinion top on the second hand is indeed something i do when buying gens and to to see if the watch is close to gen or "rough" and how well its been repped.

Polishing the case edges i can also understand - if you want it to be "better" many here do it themselves after they get them..
He's being no more finky than many here are after they get their watches. He just wanted it done before.

Fair enough too if he wants that done - its his money.

 

[tripdog]

It is very possible that CTime sends their watches out to another location for modification. If this is the case, CTime provided photos to you for QC which you approved, and then they sent the watch out for mods. Did you receive QC photos after the watch had been modified? This part is very important. If no photos were provided by the modder to either you or CTime, CTime is only aware that they sent a watch that you approved in good working and cosmetic order to be modified.

The issue you have seems to be with the person or outfit who performed the modifications.

You would be referring to Mr Wang, who apparently performs this work. Nevertheless, CTime is still responsible for the quality of his work, as he is one of their subcontractors.

Here is the problem as I see it...you most likely accused Ctime of the wrongdoing. I agree, they are certainly responsible for whoever they have performing mods as CTime has a private arrangement with them. However, CTime has done no modifications to your watch and more than likely doesn't know how it was sent out unless they received the watch back or were provided detailed photos from the modder. I suspect the watch was sent directly from the mod service to you.

The watch was purchased from CTime, therefore CTime are entirely responsible for what the customer receives, even if CTime sub-contracts work out to another company.

Let's get you what you paid for. Open a help desk ticket so that RWI can liaise on your behalf.

Lets not open a Help Desk ticket. Lets give CTime, who are after all making a very comfortable profit from these sales, be given the opportunity to put this mess right.
Somebody from CTime was online earlier today - maybe it was Mr Wang, or maybe it was CTime himself. Whoever it was decided it wasn't necessary to read, or reply to this thread.

Now if the seller can't be bothered to deal with dissatisfied customers I really don't see why this shit pile should end up in the lap of unpaid staff.
Instead, what we could do is remove from the forum sellers who don't want satisfied customers - it's win - win, for both members and staff.

Being emotional and harshly communicating with Chinese salespeople rarely end in a positive outcome.

That's largely irrelevant. Ignoring an unhappy round eye will lead to an equally negative outcome.

 

[FunkyAP]

Thank You Tripdog… I was shocked when the watch arrived…C Time stop answering me directly from first complain…he just told me people have different standard and it’s very simple just go to any watchsmith to remove the grease on the Pepsi, to fix the bracelet and the bezel. For him it seems normal for a watch I paid 1000$. And then he disappeared…Today the ppf5712 arrived I paid for that watch 2050$, it’s not catastrophic like the Pepsi but still watch arrived in a simple plastic bag, very dirty watch again, rotor is extremely noisy (I paid for a mouvement service), crystal is dirty from inside like blurry same for movement crystal…definitely not worth the money…they don’t care about client satisfaction at all. I accepted all his conditions thinking that all work will be done and expected some consideration in quality. That’s normal in a normal world. I trusted Ctime after reading and looking at all pics he post here in Mr Wang Threads…if he can be here it was a validation for rwi…so I trusted a trusted dealer modder.
Results: I know my money is gone, I know I will not wear those 2 watches…

I am sure he already had smooth transactions with other members as TD for stock watches. But For me his ads on mods and fake promises with Mr wang work have no place in here. I bought many stock Watch from other TDs the watch arrived in very good condition, I have experience with Domi in mods he is very professional and have consideration for the client.

 

[FunkyAP]

+ I forgot to say about the polishing yes it’s about the edges…of course he never polished it, watch is sharp like a knife.

 

[Toolwatchtool]

You would be referring to Mr Wang, who apparently performs this work. Nevertheless, CTime is still responsible for the quality of his work, as he is one of their subcontractors.



The watch was purchased from CTime, therefore CTime are entirely responsible for what the customer receives, even if CTime sub-contracts work out to another company.



Lets not open a Help Desk ticket. Lets give CTime, who are after all making a very comfortable profit from these sales, be given the opportunity to put this mess right.
Somebody from CTime was online earlier today - maybe it was Mr Wang, or maybe it was CTime himself. Whoever it was decided it wasn't necessary to read, or reply to this thread.

Now if the seller can't be bothered to deal with dissatisfied customers I really don't see why this shit pile should end up in the lap of unpaid staff.
Instead, what we could do is remove from the forum sellers who don't want satisfied customers - it's win - win, for both members and staff.



That's largely irrelevant. Ignoring an unhappy round eye will lead to an equally negative outcome.

Hey TripDog!

The person I spoke with identified himself as Mr. Li. He was directly from CTime and not a modder as I was only looking at stock pieces. I never discussed modifications with him and mods were not offered or mentioned by him. This took place in June via WhatsApp chat.

I have read hundreds of similar threads where both members and mods always recommend opening an RWI help desk ticket. My advice was entirely based on what seems to be the standard protocol for handling dealer-related issues on RWI. I am quickly sensing that this thread is somehow different. To restate, I am not a CTime customer.

Unfortunately happy or unhappy, gweilo are frequently ignored

 

[TESLA760]

+ I forgot to say about the polishing yes it’s about the edges…of course he never polished it, watch is sharp like a knife.

Post some clear pictures

 

[Caboose]

Post some clear pictures

Frankly, I think we are going to need comparison pictures of a non-polished edge from the same watch. I know a ton of people have these non-polished ones and I'd love to see them take a picture for comparison. Because it is very tough to "feel" sharpness in an image.

Anyone who has this watch can simply take similar photos of their sharpened edges for comparison.

 

[TESLA760]

Frankly, I think we are going to need comparison pictures of a non-polished edge from the same watch. I know a ton of people have these non-polished ones and I'd love to see them take a picture for comparison. Because it is very tough to "feel" sharpness in an image.

Anyone who has this watch can simply take similar photos of their sharpened edges for comparison.

I know. I'm curious to see how the watch looks overall. These folks are paying for mods that are completely useless

 

[trailboss99]

I'm looking into this situation with CTime as we speak, it obviously needs to be fixed.