Crazy 5712 by SWF and VSV cal. 240 Super Clone

[jsizzle]

Thanks to everyone here for the great Q&A. I bit the bullet and ordered the PPF 5712 with SWF mods and VSV engraved movement (1688 from CT). Really excited to get to QC to see how it all comes together. This community is incredible -- I look forward to contributing as I build the collection!

 

[aleks hk]

Get some close ups of the engraved plates... one of mine has very dark “gold” text, and I wrongly assumed it was just QC lighting (covered on one of my earlier posts). Everything else remains good though.

 

[Genta2014]

I ordered using a private dealer . It’s a cnc case

Is the cnc case the same thickness as the standard ppf and are there other case differences ?

 

[Prizon]

Is the cnc case the same thickness as the standard ppf and are there other case differences ?

it is thinner I believe

@dogwood can confirm, I think he checked the thickness on mine

 

[dogwood]

it is thinner I believe

@dogwood can confirm, I think he checked the thickness on mine

I don’t remember checking the thickness of the case, but the CNc case that @Panda had for his build had an interesting construction which I don’t think is gen. For example the caseback was secured with six screws into blind threaded holes. I don’t think this is how the gen caseback is secured but I’ve never worked on a Feb so I don’t know.

 

[grillbrill]

I don’t remember checking the thickness of the case, but the CNc case that @Panda had for his build had an interesting construction which I don’t think is gen. For example the caseback was secured with six screws into blind threaded holes. I don’t think this is how the gen caseback is secured but I’ve never worked on a Feb so I don’t know.

I've heard it's a gen spec construction which allows the CNC case to be thinner by ca. half a mm than the PPF case. However I'm not absolutely sure about that.

 

[blitz17]

Hey everyone, where can I get a good blue dial? I got the PPF v2 and as others said, it's not blue at all.. I want something to be close to the gen

I don't know, should I buy the ones everyone else it buying here? Is it the SWF or VSV? I got lost in the comments.

Or considering that I already have the PPF v2 just get a new dial and install it (would that likely mess up any other features of the watch)?

Thank you

 

[RollyAP]

Hey everyone, where can I get a good blue dial? I got the PPF v2 and as others said, it's not blue at all.. I want something to be close to the gen

I don't know, should I buy the ones everyone else it buying here? Is it the SWF or VSV? I got lost in the comments.

Or considering that I already have the PPF v2 just get a new dial and install it (would that likely mess up any other features of the watch)?

Thank you

SW dial

 

[grillbrill]

Hey everyone, where can I get a good blue dial? I got the PPF v2 and as others said, it's not blue at all.. I want something to be close to the gen

I don't know, should I buy the ones everyone else it buying here? Is it the SWF or VSV? I got lost in the comments.

Or considering that I already have the PPF v2 just get a new dial and install it (would that likely mess up any other features of the watch)?

Thank you

SW but the VSV dial might have more blue tone based on pics (I haven't seen the VSV dial irl).

 

[jsizzle]

After 8 weeks of anticipation, I received my order. I'm quite happy with it -- it really is beautiful on the wrist.

It's worth noting that because these dials are custom, QC was a bit trickier, maybe due to the customization effort that goes into the watch. They've assembled parts from multiple suppliers by the time it goes to QC. In my instance, the 12 o clock markers are slightly misaligned and tented but I'll get that sorted locally (thanks to info on RWI, naturally

Otherwise, happy!

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[Swiss_goupil]

Does the CNC rotor fits the PPF movement or only the ACE?

 

[monemone71]

Hello friends,

I’ve searched a bit on the forum but I didn’t find any news about the reliability (now it's a few months on the market) of the VSV (ACE) free sprung clone movement. I am tempted to pull the trigger but I had read not very good news about the reliability and the risks to the complexity of the movement. Can someone who has been using it for some time give their opinion on the movement? Main issues? Thank you in advance

 

[DurbanPoison]

God damn crazy advancements in the rep world in 2024. Especially for Richard Mille we are finally getting clone movements, most Rolex models are NWBIGs now, and now advancements in patek reps. Just imagine 2030!

 

[moneybbq]

God damn crazy advancements in the rep world in 2024. Especially for Richard Mille we are finally getting clone movements, most Rolex models are NWBIGs now, and now advancements in patek reps. Just imagine 2030!

Spot two 5712a patek in a local shopping mall yesterday! Crazy! I dont think ppl are wearing gen out thesedays!

 

[Happyyeren]

God damn crazy advancements in the rep world in 2024. Especially for Richard Mille we are finally getting clone movements, most Rolex models are NWBIGs now, and now advancements in patek reps. Just imagine 2030!

I think we still have a long way to go for pateks specially the 5711. The gen’s dial color is just too hard to copy and no factory to date has a correct bevel, crown, and lug shape.

 

[leroytan]

I think we still have a long way to go for pateks specially the 5711. The gen’s dial color is just too hard to copy and no factory to date has a correct bevel, crown, and lug shape.

It's not possible to do 3D scanning and CNC?

 

[fletch512]

I think we still have a long way to go for pateks specially the 5711. The gen’s dial color is just too hard to copy and no factory to date has a correct bevel, crown, and lug shape.

I'm not one to defend rep manufacturers, who could certainly do a better job with every watch not named Rolex and Panerai, but this take seems pretty harsh. I read this forum religiously, and no way would I be able to call out a 3KF 5711 white dial at wrist distance, especially if it had an SWF or Buff date wheel.

I don't know what a bevel is (bezel?), but there's plenty of high-res photos in this forum comparing the gen and rep, and the bezel , crown, and lugs are more or less indistinguishable unless you have the gen and rep side by side and looking with a jeweler's loop. Now the fit, finish, and certainly movement decoration would give a watch aficionado pause, but... lugs... really?

I recently ordered a 5711 with SWF green dial, hands, and date wheel, plus the polishing and other minor mods, from Popup. Once I have it in hand, maybe I'll agree that we have "a long way to go," especially with the green dial which is harder to rep than the white. But until then, the rep pictures and videos look pretty darn good.

 

[Happyyeren]

I'm not one to defend rep manufacturers, who could certainly do a better job with every watch not named Rolex and Panerai, but this take seems pretty harsh. I read this forum religiously, and no way would I be able to call out a 3KF 5711 white dial at wrist distance, especially if it had an SWF or Buff date wheel.

I don't know what a bevel is (bezel?), but there's plenty of high-res photos in this forum comparing the gen and rep, and the bezel , crown, and lugs are more or less indistinguishable unless you have the gen and rep side by side and looking with a jeweler's loop. Now the fit, finish, and certainly movement decoration would give a watch aficionado pause, but... lugs... really?

I recently ordered a 5711 with SWF green dial, hands, and date wheel, plus the polishing and other minor mods, from Popup. Once I have it in hand, maybe I'll agree that we have "a long way to go," especially with the green dial which is harder to rep than the white. But until then, the rep pictures and videos look pretty darn good.

yes i mean bezel, sorry for that. Once you see it, its hard to unsee. The bezel is too fat and the polished side is too narrow, the lug shape on 3kf is also wrong (its like a triangle), crown also protrudes too much tho its not that far away from gen

 

[Happyyeren]

I'm not one to defend rep manufacturers, who could certainly do a better job with every watch not named Rolex and Panerai, but this take seems pretty harsh. I read this forum religiously, and no way would I be able to call out a 3KF 5711 white dial at wrist distance, especially if it had an SWF or Buff date wheel.

I don't know what a bevel is (bezel?), but there's plenty of high-res photos in this forum comparing the gen and rep, and the bezel , crown, and lugs are more or less indistinguishable unless you have the gen and rep side by side and looking with a jeweler's loop. Now the fit, finish, and certainly movement decoration would give a watch aficionado pause, but... lugs... really?

I recently ordered a 5711 with SWF green dial, hands, and date wheel, plus the polishing and other minor mods, from Popup. Once I have it in hand, maybe I'll agree that we have "a long way to go," especially with the green dial which is harder to rep than the white. But until then, the rep pictures and videos look pretty darn good.

this is what i mean by the lugs, in pictures its very obvious. The bezel and narrow polish side is also obvious.

i do agree that at wrist distance its impossible to tell. even the stock dial would pass at a distance specially you would be moving and nobody will stare at your watch for more than a few second

 

[Reaps]

this is what i mean by the lugs, in pictures its very obvious. The bezel and narrow polish side is also obvious.

i do agree that at wrist distance its impossible to tell. even the stock dial would pass at a distance specially you would be moving and nobody will stare at your watch for more than a few second

For $500 this is fine. I think people forget they're paying $500 for a watch. Keep this in mind again.....

If you're obsessed about the details I suggest a CNC case build with the SW dial and all the goodies. It will run you $2K+ but if you're ADHD about this stuff it's worth it for you.