Compare new version noob sub with GEN.

[captaincaveman]

No. problem~. I will do it, ASAP.
Thanks!

Thanks I'd love to see that too. And good job doing this. Really helpful and confirms my decison to pick one up from Ryan.

 

[set2374]

Fantastic review!!!! Rep points for you!!! I know the markers on the gen dial shown have thinner rings than then the Niobe which has caused many to cite this as a flaw. It is NOT a flaw. The blobs v2 is a copy of the original 2009-2010 run which has a different dial from the 2011-present. I shown pictures I other threads. This is a very good copy of the original sub-c dial. The bezel needs a touch up and I am sure the cyclops AR can be improved, the cg might nedd a little shave, but this is a great 0TB Rep. They are getting much closer to where we want to be!

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[Tonyy]

Nice work, OP. Appreciate the comparison with quality pictures too.

 

[thisismynick]

Hulk gen vs. Noob V2 .. first impressions at the AD

Hey could you post a few more pics, comaring the bracelet and clasp too? would love to see the difference on that as well
Thanks man!

I got my Noob SubC Hulk V2 (1st batch) yesterday. To sum it up: It is a very good watch in itself. But I really fail to see the holy grail in it, like some others do.

As for accuracy, there is plenty of room for improvement left.

As for luxury look and feel, it has become better than V1, especially pearl, bezel turning feeling and the lume dots, but there is still a lot to wish for.

To check accuracy and look & feel I picked an AD not far from my place, who I knew has a gen Hulk on stock (unfortunately not on display, so I couldn't compare V2 and gen with my nose against the window). I put my V2 in the pocket, entered the store, and had him bring me the gen Hulk, so I compared with rep from memory as good as I could.

My findings so far:

1) The rep bracelet and clasp is crap. Maybe just luck of the draw, but all the more compared with gen, mine is utterly crap. It feels flimsy, thin, tinny, has already some play etc. even after a waxing treatment. The clasp's security cap won't close completely; I had to file it down a bit, and still it isn't perfection. TBH, I have a Smurf "ultimate version" (noob V1) from Joshua from 2 years ago that has a bracelet that easily(!) rivals the gen (steel version), and the clasp is pretty good. It iis much more sturdy, heavier, thicker etc than this V2 bracelet/clasp. Did I already mention that my V2 rep bracelet and clasp are crap? So, just that you know it: my V2 rep bracelet and clasp are crap... 5-6 / 10 points rep vs gen.
And let's face it: The bracelet & clasp make easily 50% of the feeling of a watch...
I REALLY fail to understand how some ppl here rave about the V2 bracelet?!? I mean, really WTF?!?

2) The sunburst dial is nice on the rep, but the gen is much more "sunbursting" if u know what I mean. Even under normal indoor lighting conditions it sparkles away. Not so the rep. It does have some neat sunburst, but it is nowhere like gen. 7-8/10

3) The crown guards are STILL NOT PERFECT!! I think that also goes for the lugs. The OP points this out, too. FFS, how hard can this be?!?!? BP got that right from the start?! Yes, there is improvement to noob V1, but at the end of the day it is still wrong. I think it is not so much measureable difference between rep and gen, some 1/10mm, but the gen somehow simply looks more chunky... 9/10

4) AFAI can say, the crown position is a wee bit lower than gen, but that is not a deal breaker in my book. 9,5/10

5) Dial print looks great, correct spacings from what I could make out etc. 9/10, lume dots also great 9/10. Pearl is fantastic: 10/10

6) Insert is crap, of course. We know that. Seeing the gen in comparison is simply a different world, as for the platinum effect, the depth and at the same way the smoothness of the engravings....

7) And for the love of god, I am SURE that the gen had a slightly brighter green all over, esp. the insert, but I cannot 100% confirm, because this watch really is a chameleon, and one really has to hold gen hulk and rep side by side under identical light conditions to tell for sure. BUT I AM prettypretty sure.... => 6/10 for the insert

(side note: The gen had a slightly misalinged insert, as the pearl marker on the insert did not perfectly line up with the 12 o'clock dial mark....so much for that )

7) All hands are good enough, without a loupe at least. rep looks a bit "flat" in comparison. All in all: 9/10

8) Bezel turning feeling: It IS better than V1, even with the tooth floss trick. But it STILL is NOWHERE where the gen is, neither feeling nor sounds. Period. 7.5/10

9) Rehaut engravings: From what little that I could see in my 5 minutes check up there is again some difference in the smoothness. 8-9/10 Alignment is top notch though! 10/10

10) LEC is great on rep, barely visible. Couldn't see the gen LEC at the AD at all. => 9/10

11) AR on the cycopls? Puh-lease..... That blue tint is utterly crap!! Not only does it not at all AR anything, it even spoils the whole crystal with the bloody blue tint, which is not visible on the gen in your hand under normal light conditions. Au contrair on the rep. The blue is omnipresence.... what a bummer! Will have to have Domi rip this sücker of the xtal and get it done properly -- if I keep this Hulk at all. We will see.

My brother has a gen Hulk. We rarely see each other due to distance in places where we live. But I will try to do a complete 1:1 high res photo comparison when I see him next time.

 

[MtnGuy]

Thanks for the great detail - this is helping me to decide my next watch (a GMT 2 or a Sub).
Cheers!

 

[1234_cool_uncle]

Thanks cool_uncle!! can't wait for your additionnal pics!! but take your time, no hurry!!

Are these enough?

Clasp is bad. I agree.
But I think it is enough good to use.
Because it is a fake.

The rep bracelet is quite good to use.

 

[1234_cool_uncle]

I got my Noob SubC Hulk V2 (1st batch) yesterday. To sum it up: It is a very good watch in itself. But I really fail to see the holy grail in it, like some others do.

As for accuracy, there is plenty of room for improvement left.

As for luxury look and feel, it has become better than V1, especially pearl, bezel turning feeling and the lume dots, but there is still a lot to wish for.

To check accuracy and look & feel I picked an AD not far from my place, who I knew has a gen Hulk on stock (unfortunately not on display, so I couldn't compare V2 and gen with my nose against the window). I put my V2 in the pocket, entered the store, and had him bring me the gen Hulk, so I compared with rep from memory as good as I could.

My findings so far:

1) The rep bracelet and clasp is crap. Maybe just luck of the draw, but all the more compared with gen, mine is utterly crap. It feels flimsy, thin, tinny, has already some play etc. even after a waxing treatment. The clasp's security cap won't close completely; I had to file it down a bit, and still it isn't perfection. TBH, I have a Smurf "ultimate version" (noob V1) from Joshua from 2 years ago that has a bracelet that easily(!) rivals the gen (steel version), and the clasp is pretty good. It iis much more sturdy, heavier, thicker etc than this V2 bracelet/clasp. Did I already mention that my V2 rep bracelet and clasp are crap? So, just that you know it: my V2 rep bracelet and clasp are crap... 5-6 / 10 points rep vs gen.
And let's face it: The bracelet & clasp make easily 50% of the feeling of a watch...
I REALLY fail to understand how some ppl here rave about the V2 bracelet?!? I mean, really WTF?!?

2) The sunburst dial is nice on the rep, but the gen is much more "sunbursting" if u know what I mean. Even under normal indoor lighting conditions it sparkles away. Not so the rep. It does have some neat sunburst, but it is nowhere like gen. 7-8/10

3) The crown guards are STILL NOT PERFECT!! I think that also goes for the lugs. The OP points this out, too. FFS, how hard can this be?!?!? BP got that right from the start?! Yes, there is improvement to noob V1, but at the end of the day it is still wrong. I think it is not so much measureable difference between rep and gen, some 1/10mm, but the gen somehow simply looks more chunky... 9/10

4) AFAI can say, the crown position is a wee bit lower than gen, but that is not a deal breaker in my book. 9,5/10

5) Dial print looks great, correct spacings from what I could make out etc. 9/10, lume dots also great 9/10. Pearl is fantastic: 10/10

6) Insert is crap, of course. We know that. Seeing the gen in comparison is simply a different world, as for the platinum effect, the depth and at the same way the smoothness of the engravings....

7) And for the love of god, I am SURE that the gen had a slightly brighter green all over, esp. the insert, but I cannot 100% confirm, because this watch really is a chameleon, and one really has to hold gen hulk and rep side by side under identical light conditions to tell for sure. BUT I AM prettypretty sure.... => 6/10 for the insert

(side note: The gen had a slightly misalinged insert, as the pearl marker on the insert did not perfectly line up with the 12 o'clock dial mark....so much for that )

7) All hands are good enough, without a loupe at least. rep looks a bit "flat" in comparison. All in all: 9/10

8) Bezel turning feeling: It IS better than V1, even with the tooth floss trick. But it STILL is NOWHERE where the gen is, neither feeling nor sounds. Period. 7.5/10

9) Rehaut engravings: From what little that I could see in my 5 minutes check up there is again some difference in the smoothness. 8-9/10 Alignment is top notch though! 10/10

10) LEC is great on rep, barely visible. Couldn't see the gen LEC at the AD at all. => 9/10

11) AR on the cycopls? Puh-lease..... That blue tint is utterly crap!! Not only does it not at all AR anything, it even spoils the whole crystal with the bloody blue tint, which is not visible on the gen in your hand under normal light conditions. Au contrair on the rep. The blue is omnipresence.... what a bummer! Will have to have Domi rip this sücker of the xtal and get it done properly -- if I keep this Hulk at all. We will see.

My brother has a gen Hulk. We rarely see each other due to distance in places where we live. But I will try to do a complete 1:1 high res photo comparison when I see him next time.

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Did you compare green color between noob hulk and gen hulk?
How about it?

 

[theskull]

yes thanks that's enough pics!!

now, i agree with pretty much everything thisismynick said, but don't forget that is only the first try of the noob to make a sub c ( repped with a gen, and has correct case , almost. so i don't count the v1..) and even if there is still some work to do, this is still a really good, rep.. the Ap Diver is on v4.1.. so let gives this some time, and we will see in a couple of update if there is a fews good improvement. the clasp needs some work too, but the bracelet is really good i think.. now, i didn't bought the hulk, because the color and reflects of the insert will never be like gen, it's just not possible, the dial looks good but we can't be sure until there is a gen/rep comparaison.. the LN was the best choice in my opinion, even if i just love the hulk!!!

And let be honnest, normal people would never see differences between the gen and noob. of course we have to push makers to do better, but we have to thanks the noob i think for the work they have done so far. this is the best sub c OTB! period!

 

[theskull]

show this pic to someone who doesn't know much about rolex, and ask him which one is gen and which one is rep, he wouldn't know...

http://i.imgur.com/aBMWKb9.jpg

 

[set2374]

Per my earlier post in this thread, I promised to return with pictures to show that the Noob V2 is a solid copy of the first run of sub-c, which I guess were still transitioning from the 11610 dial. This was my comparison of the gen to V2 dial that posted over on RG:

Here's the a gen from Rolex's first production run, which began in 2010. These dials were used in watches produced in 2010 into 2011:

More recent production runs made a few changes to the dial spacing and hour marker surrounds. It seems these changes were intended to make the dial look a little less cramped. These new dials were used from mid-2011 (along side the original dial) through the present (AFAIK). This is a picture of a updated dial (note the change in the size of the "f" in 1000ft and the spacing between the "= 300 m"):

Finally, here's the Noob v2:

In my eyes, the V2 dial looks like a great copy of the original 116610 dial from 2010-11. I would guess that noob bought a preowned 116610LN that came from an early production run. That's what it copied and it did a good job of it. Second, there is some variation in thickness on the marker surrounds in various versions of the gen. These surrounds look fine for the first gen sub-c dial.

As far as the clasp is concerned, I think there's some poor QC happening here. Some people are raving about their clasps and others are complaining loudly. I heard the same story for the Exp2. Some of these claps are sh!t and others are great. I haven't bitten on the V2 SubC yet, but I bought and Exp2 and, with some effort, mine has a perfectly straight clasp, with everything aligned as per gen:

I have been hearing that the bracelet is made by the same supplier that did the bracelet for the Exp2 (for all I know it may be the same freak'n bracelet. I can speak for the sub, but I have been to the AD to look at the gen Exp2 many MANY Times (the mall across from my office has a Rolex boutique). I have fondled the rep while in my pocket as I held the gen and I swear I couldn't tell the difference in the feel of the bracelets or claps (both functioned the same and had the same spaces, gaps etc.).

If someone here has both the v2 sub and the exp2 (I am sure there are a ton of you), can you tell me if it's the same bracelet. If that's the case, I think I have a big difference of opinion with those knocking the bracelet. If your clasp sucks, contact your TD and see if he can source a good one for you. Hopefully, these sorts of things can be sorted in QC pictures... if everything lines up, it should be a good clasp.

 

[Turbo350z]

show this pic to someone who doesn't know much about rolex, and ask him which one is gen and which one is rep, he wouldn't know...

http://i.imgur.com/aBMWKb9.jpg

+1. In fact show that to most gen rolex owners and they still couldn't tell.


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[live1]

Per my earlier post in this thread, I promised to return with pictures to show that the Noob V2 is a solid copy of the first run of sub-c, which I guess were still transitioning from the 11610 dial. This was my comparison of the gen to V2 dial that posted over on RG:

Here's the a gen from Rolex's first production run, which began in 2010. These dials were used in watches produced in 2010 into 2011:

More recent production runs made a few changes to the dial spacing and hour marker surrounds. It seems these changes were intended to make the dial look a little less cramped. These new dials were used from mid-2011 (along side the original dial) through the present (AFAIK). This is a picture of a updated dial (note the change in the size of the "f" in 1000ft and the spacing between the "= 300 m"):

Finally, here's the Noob v2:

In my eyes, the V2 dial looks like a great copy of the original 116610 dial from 2010-11. I would guess that noob bought a preowned 116610LN that came from an early production run. That's what it copied and it did a good job of it. Second, there is some variation in thickness on the marker surrounds in various versions of the gen. These surrounds look fine for the first gen sub-c dial.

stop showing pics of the old 2010 dials,they are nothing like the v2 dial.look closely at the v2 dial,different f and different 1 and different equal symbol etc.the pics you keep posting of the old 2010 dial is the same as the bp dial

 

[live1]

has nobody noticed the v2 clasp has 3 dots on the corranet,that should not be there,also the clasp not flush.when closed

 

[set2374]

stop showing pics of the old 2010 dials,they are nothing like the v2 dial.look closely at the v2 dial,different f and different 1 and different equal symbol etc.the pics you keep posting of the old 2010 dial is the same as the bp dial

Really, are my pictures boring you? You're right, I shouldn't have posted them because the rest of the rest of the members of this forum should really rely on your sage advise. If you're going to act like a shit head, at least know your shit, which you clearly do not! First, If you think pictures of the 2010-11 sub-c are nothing like the v2, you must be read in braille. Yeah, there are differences between the V2 dial and gen 2010 because it's still a rep dial, but to identify the differences (flaws) between the V2 and Gen you need to be comparing it to the right gen dial. Most people are not comparing it to the right dial, which I why I made the time to post those boring pictures. Second, how can you say "the old 2010 dial is the same as the bp dial"? Did you actually look at the pictures??? The BP dial is clearly a copy of the newer subc dial (2011-present), which is why so many people think it is more accurate (except for the officiallycertified problem)--even though it's not. Of course, you knew that already. Finally, you are a complete and utter asshole and I am hardly the first member of this forum to notice.

 

[thisismynick]

show this pic to someone who doesn't know much about rolex, and ask him which one is gen and which one is rep, he wouldn't know...

http://i.imgur.com/aBMWKb9.jpg

Yeah, no doubt about it. You don't need a V2 for that. Basically any rep of our liking will do that trick. What can I say: Ignorance is a blessing! But ME knows the places to look at, and that kinda spoils it everytime, doesn't it...? xD

Anyhoo, much more important to me: I know how gen FEELS on the wrist, in my hand, when winding, when turning the bezel etc etc -- and I know too well how rep Rolex feels. Worlds apart.

In terms of feeling, there is almost no difference rep vs gen with my Breitlings, PAMs, Omegas, Sinns, Hublots, even the APs -- but for crying out loud: it sure as hell is a huge difference with Rolex... :-/

 

[live1]

wrong.are u blind,look carefully at the pics .im not going to waste my time arguing with u .as u aint worth a shit ,as u say lol

 

[live1]

my noob should be here soon cant wait

 

[set2374]

wrong.are u blind,look carefully at the pics .im not going to waste my time arguing with u .as u aint worth a shit ,as u say lol

No kidding you won't "waste" your time arguing with me because that would require you to do some critical thinking and have something constructive to offer. You have never written a post that is more than a fractured sentence, two sentences at the most. Even then it's "nice watch. I just helped out, so give me some rep points." Dude, you're a f-cking tool.

 

[live1]

No kidding you won't "waste" your time arguing with me because that would require you to do some critical thinking and have something constructive to offer. You have never written a post that is more than a fractured sentence, two sentences at the most. Even then it's "nice watch. I just helped out, so give me some rep points." Dude, you're a f-cking tool.

you are a fu#king nob .

 

[set2374]

you are a fu#king nob .

I am blown away by your wit.