Clean has reduced all current Daytona price to get ready for 126xxx models

[Guiltycat]

Looking forward to your movement comparison to gen
I wonder if clean will discount their stock of dd4130. Need one for a custom build

Thanks ctime

 

[daytonadude]

Can’t wait for all the “SH sucks” proselytizers to stfu after this

 

[aHero]

Looking forward to your movement comparison to gen
I wonder if clean will discount their stock of dd4130. Need one for a custom build

Thanks ctime

Ctime said in the first post that Clean is discounting $50 and Ctime is discounting $70 on top of that…

And for the most concerned part, Clean has reduced the price for 50$ on all the 116xxx models, it's the last stock, there will be no more in the future!

Ctime decided to reduce 70$ on these models for you on the top of our regular discount, and this sale will last until Chinese New Year holidays(5th, Feb, 2024), don’t miss it!

 

[Storm.]

Can’t wait for all the “SH sucks” proselytizers to stfu after this

It still sucks bro

 

[flashu]

I’m also on the side of the river where fisherman’s don’t believe there will no more CF 116xxxx fishing on the great sea of rep buyers

Other than that great news from @CTime as always nice to get the inside directly from TD.

On the other hand I will stay put for the first batches with the new movement, you know the greatest are doing mistakes also at the beginning, so let others play

I suspect also that we will be in the north of 800 or even 900 for these new Daytonas from CF

 

[CTime]

I imagine the SH4131 they helped design might be their exclusive version. Having the DD4130 was a major selling point, and helping SH design the best 4131 would be too.

Losing exclusivity to the 4130 would definitely encourage clean to be forward thinking and make a move on the 4131/12s. 12s will eventually be the best selling reps.

Exactly! I forgot to mention the exclusivity to Clean, thanks!

 

[mclarendude]

Happy I got a 116509 then.

 

[UptonDowntown]

…make a move on the 4131/12s. 12s will eventually be the best selling reps.

Interesting, you think they’re going to do the full movement for the 24h anniversary watch? I know I’d get one if they did.

 

[Revolthki]

So exciting! What’s the timeline for the release? Are we talking about days, weeks, months?

 

[dogwood]

Exactly! I forgot to mention the exclusivity to Clean, thanks!

We've already seen a DD4131 in the new 126500 Daytona models from AR+F... The problem with the DD4131 is that Dandong didn't update the shock setting to be a paraflex spring (yellow arrow). (I mentioned this in my latest updated to the Comprehensive Guide to Rolex Clone Movements)

That's one area where the SH4131 will likely be able to be "better" than the DD4131 because the SH4130 (and by extension the SH4131) use a decoration plate on top of the balance bridge to hide the beat adjustor and regulator arms, and to have a fake hairspring stud. But that decoration plate also has a fake shock setting. This means it's probably quite easy for Shanghai movement factory to just change the decoration plate to have a paraflex spring. This kind of change would have been much harder to Dandong because changing the shock setting on the Dandong 4130 / 4131 would mean re-designing the complete balance bridge to accept a paraflex shock setting.

 

[aHero]

We've already seen a DD4131 in the new 126500 Daytona models from AR+F... The problem with the DD4131 is that Dandong didn't update the shock setting to be a paraflex spring (yellow arrow). (I mentioned this in my latest updated to the Comprehensive Guide to Rolex Clone Movements)

That's one area where the SH4131 will likely be able to be "better" than the DD4131 because the SH4130 (and by extension the SH4131) use a decoration plate on top of the balance bridge to hide the beat adjustor and regulator arms, and to have a fake hairspring stud. But that decoration plate also has a fake shock setting. This means it's probably quite easy for Shanghai movement factory to just change the decoration plate to have a paraflex spring. This kind of change would have been much harder to Dandong because changing the shock setting on the Dandong 4130 / 4131 would mean re-designing the complete balance bridge to accept a paraflex shock setting.

Isn’t the DD4131 just a 4130 with updated 4131 decorations?

 

[dogwood]

Isn’t the “4131” from AR+F just a 4130 with updated 4131 decorations?

I thought so... but I was just looking at the picture I posted and what I wrote in my guide, and I was wrong. The Dandong 4131 is an updated movement. Here are the updates (that I can see) of the DD4131 over the DD4130:

1. Updated column wheel (black arrow).
2. Updated vertical clutch jaws and spring (cyan arrow).
3. Updated hammer spring peening (orange arrow).

I'll go an update the comprehensive guide. How embarrassing for me that I didn't see these changes earlier.

 

[Storm.]

I thought so... but I was just looking at the picture I posted and what I wrote in my guide, and I was wrong. The Dandong 4131 is an updated movement. Here are the updates (that I can see) of the DD4131 over the DD4130:

1. Updated column wheel (black arrow).
2. Updated vertical clutch jaws and spring (cyan arrow).
3. Updated hammer spring peening (orange arrow).

I'll go an update the comprehensive guide. How embarrassing for me that I didn't see these changes earlier.

But that's not a DD.

Arf uses an SH.

 

[dogwood]

But that's not a DD.

Arf uses an SH.

Damn... you're right. Black dot on the beat adjustor is SH not DD. It's early... I need coffee.

 

[dogwood]

But that's not a DD.

Arf uses an SH.

Also... if AR+F is using the SH4131 then how can Clean have "exclusivity"?

Or maybe Clean has a different version of the SH4131...

Though the SH4131 is built based on SH4130, Clean has upgraded the power reserve to 75 hours and done a lot improvements, such as reshaping oscillating rotor, upgrading the rotor bearing, rebuilding the auto device bridge, changed the shock absorbing part of the balance wheel...

@CTime mentioned specifically that the Clean version of the SH4131 will have a "changed the shock absorbing part of the balance bridge"... So maybe AR+F got an early version / lower tier version of the SH4131 that didn't have the updated balance bridge decoration plate with a paraflex spring.

If different watch factories are going to start getting different versions of the same movement, it's gonna turn the movement naming convention shit storm we already have into a fecal typhoon.

 

[speedyguy]

Also... if AR+F is using the SH4131 then how can Clean have "exclusivity"?

Or maybe Clean has a different version of the SH4131...



@CTime mentioned specifically that the Clean version of the SH4131 will have a "changed the shock absorbing part of the balance bridge"... So maybe AR+F got an early version / lower tier version of the SH4131 that didn't have the updated balance bridge decoration plate with a paraflex spring.

If different watch factories are going to start getting different versions of the same movement, it's gonna turn the movement naming convention shit storm we already have into a fecal typhoon.

It might not be so different from their exclusive DD4130 contract. Other factories also used that DD4130 - presumably CF was getting their beak wet on those watches? In this case the deal might be even better - only CF gets the “enhanced” SH4131. Or maybe they just charge other factories a premium for it? I guess we’ll see. All complete speculation at this point.

 

[daytonadude]

Also... if AR+F is using the SH4131 then how can Clean have "exclusivity"?

Or maybe Clean has a different version of the SH4131...



@CTime mentioned specifically that the Clean version of the SH4131 will have a "changed the shock absorbing part of the balance bridge"... So maybe AR+F got an early version / lower tier version of the SH4131 that didn't have the updated balance bridge decoration plate with a paraflex spring.

If different watch factories are going to start getting different versions of the same movement, it's gonna turn the movement naming convention shit storm we already have into a fecal typhoon.

In that case, I wish you the best of luck

 

[j21]

 

[Storm.]

Also... if AR+F is using the SH4131 then how can Clean have "exclusivity"?

Or maybe Clean has a different version of the SH4131...



@CTime mentioned specifically that the Clean version of the SH4131 will have a "changed the shock absorbing part of the balance bridge"... So maybe AR+F got an early version / lower tier version of the SH4131 that didn't have the updated balance bridge decoration plate with a paraflex spring.

If different watch factories are going to start getting different versions of the same movement, it's gonna turn the movement naming convention shit storm we already have into a fecal typhoon.

It might not be so different from their exclusive DD4130 contract. Other factories also used that DD4130 - presumably CF was getting their beak wet on those watches? In this case the deal might be even better - only CF gets the “enhanced” SH4131. Or maybe they just charge other factories a premium for it? I guess we’ll see. All complete speculation at this point.

Because this arf movement is a decorated 4130.

The clean movement will be a true clone.

 

[Autobús]

Rather fortunate and unfortunate at the same time. Always feel fortunate to see advancements, but I have zero desire to move into a 126xxx model. The design doesn't move me at all. But knowing my nature, that opinion may change over time.

Leaves more marketshare for BTF and the others now. It will be interesting to see the effect of CFs departure on the 116xxx market in the coming year.