Clean Factory New Submariner Series Review (Incl. Comparison Pics vs Gen)

[muiramas]

Just got QC for a 114060 CF and it had 7GJ code on the bracelet clasp, that is the same code that I have on my 116610 VSF I bought last year. Do CF not use ARF bracelets anymore?

I’d say the claim about using ARF bracelets is as true as their claim about using 904 when they were called ZZF - in other words - complete bollocks.

It may have been true at some point but the reality is no one knows what they are getting with Clean/ZZF any more.

 

[MtnMover]

You're all giving me buyers remorse and I haven't even seen QCP..

I wish vsf never got raided.

 

[Mr.JC]

How can one test if it's 904 L? And what's the remedy in addressing the concern to the TD or factory that it isn't?

 

[Jayalvin777]

You're all giving me buyers remorse and I haven't even seen QCP..

I wish vsf never got raided.

Get a zf instead, it is better anyways.

 

[Snil]

The cousin of clean boss, who is in charge of producing parts have decided to take advantage that vsf is laying low and they started to manufacture some watches with vsf serial number and also vsf clasp codes. Here are the proof of that. I would say
for the time beinf stay away of buying clean subs.

Thank you, this is definitely what they've done. But who makes these 7GJ bracelets, they're not actual VSF bracelets. Right?

 

[Jayalvin777]

Thank you, this is definitely what they've done. But who makes these 7GJ bracelets, they're not actual VSF bracelets. Right?

Hell no, those bracelets don't come from vsf, that's what muimaras was saying, at this point you can't even believe that clean factory come with arf bracelets, cuz they even producing bootleg vsf from God's know where. clean is the shaddiest fsctory out there.

 

[Snil]

Hell no, those bracelets don't come from vsf, that's what muimaras was saying, at this point you can't even believe that clean factory come with arf bracelets, cuz they even producing bootleg vsf from God's know where. clean is the shaddiest fsctory out there.

Thanks for the clarification. Really appreciate it. I'm pissed and so disappointed with Clean.

 

[Jayalvin777]

Thanks for the clarification. Really appreciate it. I'm pissed and so disappointed with Clean.

This is been going for almost a year now. Clean boss is a really marketing mastermind, he legit was selling 316l as 904l and he made people forget about it lol.
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[Mr.JC]

This is been going for almost a year now. Clean boss is a really marketing mastermind, he legit was selling 316l as 904l and he made people forget about it lol.
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Sounds like a case of "Nobody's going to know"

So how did people end up knowing?

 

[Jayalvin777]

Sounds like a case of "Nobody's going to know"

So how did people end up knowing?

Cuz puretime organize a metal test, all the parts of zzf aka clean ended up being 316l. Those watches didnt sold well (zzf v2s) it is confirmed by several people in China that zzf boss created clean to sell those unsold zzf v2s cases under a new brand that no one will have suspicious of. Clean is now even selling clean v4 with zzf v3 cases Y7L.

 

[Mr.JC]

Cuz puretime organize a metal test, all the parts of zzf aka clean ended up being 316l. Those watches didnt sold well (zzf v2s) it is confirmed by several people in China that zzf boss created clean to sell those unsold zzf v2s cases under a new brand that no one will have suspicious of. Clean is now even selling clean v4 with zzf v3 cases Y7L.

If that is the case, then why are the TD's complicit in listing the watches on their website stating to be 904 L? Isn't the whole thing about being a TD to be truthful?

 

[Jayalvin777]

If that is the case, then why are the TD's complicit in listing the watches on their website stating to be 904 L? Isn't the whole thing about being a TD to be truthful?

Cuz tds dont perform metal test every drop, those machines are expensive dude. Td's list the watches with the information given by the fsctories, they are merely the middlemen and ensuring you get your watch that's fully working and that you don't get scam. This is why we have rwi so we can inform ourselves and make purchases based on truthful information. This is why i don't understand why people keep buying clean subs, you have vsf and zf which are way better options.
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[MtnMover]

you have vsf and zf which are way better options.
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We have wat?

Sketchy recent news about clean aside... their last sub version has been regarded pretty highly hasn't it? Other than the arguing over the cgs? I hardly hear any hype about ZF. So what other options are there.

 

[Jayalvin777]

We have wat?

Sketchy recent news about clean aside... their last sub version has been regarded pretty highly hasn't it? Other than the arguing over the cgs? I hardly hear any hype about ZF. So what other options are there.

Zf is better than clean but clean have better marketing than zf. Clean basically produces only subs and now gmt's, zf perphaps the widest range of reps in the market, so they spend time also promoting other products. Also didn't help zf that they got raided pretty bad last December and a lot of people thought they wouldn't come back. Zf is the best option you got now that vsf is gone for the time being.

 

[MtnMover]

Zf is the best option you got now that vsf is gone for the time being.

I see some satisfied zf owners but aside from that trying to compare a zf vs a cf v4 head to head is very difficult. I understand your objections to the business but what exactly is bad about cf subs and what is so great about zf? If it was considerably better and a super rep then there would be a huge following of owners and hype like there was with vsf right?

 

[Mr.JC]

Just seems like a real shame that the factories have to resort to such shady practices to make a quick buck. It only hurts their reputations in the long run to be deceptive and unClean. There is a real opportunity here for Clean to do the right thing, right wrongs, and offer what they tell the TD's to post as a true and accurate description of what they are selling. We trust the TD's are being honest with us with their descriptions. Knowingly misleading the TD's only hurts them and everyone. Come on Clean, do better and be what your names says you are. I look forward to getting a high quality sub from you that is 904 L steel.

 

[GreatWhite]

The cousin of clean boss, who is in charge of producing parts have decided to take advantage that vsf is laying low and they started to manufacture some watches with vsf serial number and also vsf clasp codes. Here are the proof of that. I would say
for the time beinf stay away of buying clean subs.

There is a more innocent explanation too.

A parts factory could have a load of VSF parts that VSF is now not using, so Clean bought them off them for cheap.

 

[mnkoshka]

There is a more innocent explanation too.

A parts factory could has a load of VSF parts that VSF is now not using, so Clean bought them off them for cheap.

This is very true. these factories don’t make all their own parts they simply buy certain parts from a supplier that’s been contracted for a production run. Most factories don’t have the capital or tooling to produce everything on their own. This works the same with Swiss watch companies also for example tag Heuer made cases for hublot and Aiguilla make the hands for Rolex. Different In China on the other hand If that run is left over because of problems in the industry like a raid. I’m sure The suppliers in China don’t abide by any kind of third line forcing practice and can supply anyone’s design or left over product to whoever will purchase it especially when an order is not paid for or utilised due to business uncertainty.
Even a program for a machine like a indexing CNC spark erosion engraver, water jet or laser engraving can be passed around to others or bought. Let’s face it we don’t know exactly wtf goes on over there. I’m not saying these factories arnt dodgy I’m only looking at the more innocent aspect.


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[GreatWhite]

And there's big clean stickers on them too so they're not exaclty trying to pass them off as vsf.

 

[MtnMover]

So this seems to be a topic the TDs who handle loads of these reps should be able to address right? At least they can confirm if their examples have gen arf bracelets etc why aren't we asking them instead of making loads of assumptions?