Clean Factory New Release Daytona 116519LN (Comparison Pictures vs Genuine)

[Storm.]

Not exactly apples to apples but I have a CF v1 white and BTF v2 black. I choose CF everyday.

Opinions. Cf for me is too Sharp and not gen like at all.
Only cf case that's acceptable is 520 cases.

What about the yellow gold green dial?

As said. Precious metals cf

 

[aHero]

Not exactly apples to apples but I have a CF v1 white and BTF v2 black. I choose CF everyday.

can't edit my post, but I thought I was in the general Daytona thread. That said, I went with CF for my 116519 and 116518 despite CF being more expensive because I still prefer CF.

 

[KGZ]

i heat

Cf isn't on Btf Level by a long shot bro.

Only gold color on precious metal models is better. some models like gorilla the dial is better.

Everything else btf is better.

Case, crown, pushers, crystal, movement, finishs. All better on Btf

I hear you. Maybe you are right. I haven’t had both watches on hands to compare. Si i just go by the pictures posted. Maybe BTF is better but not by a long shot. They are still pretty close IMHO (at least in the pictures). As far ad the movement all the TDs tell me that both factories source them from the same supplier. Now they can be some quality difference in the lubrification and the overall environment tidiness upon assembling the watch between the two factories, but I’d have the 4130 serviced no matter where it comes frow anyways.

Just a question why do all TDs keep recommending CF over BTF for the 116500 and the 116519? Do they have better relations with CF? I am just curious…

 

[Storm.]

i heat

I hear you. Maybe you are right. I haven’t had both watches on hands to compare. Si i just go by the pictures posted. Maybe BTF is better but not by a long shot. They are still pretty close IMHO (at least in the pictures). As far ad the movement all the TDs tell me that both factories source them from the same supplier. Now they can be some quality difference in the lubrification and the overall environment tidiness upon assembling the watch between the two factories, but I’d have the 4130 serviced no matter where it comes frow anyways.

Just a question why do all TDs keep recommending CF over BTF for the 116500 and the 116519? Do they have better relations with CF? I am just curious…

The btf is pretty clean. My watchmaker looked at it and said it's fine. When he opened my 116520cf he revisioned it right away because there was dust and grime everywhere.

Of course it depends on when and who assembled your movement but from experience, noob and btf movements are cleaner (pun intended).

As for the case, in my opinion the case shape of btf v2 better but other members like @Bobi01 prefer the cf v1 case.

It's very minimal differences and up to opinion.


Also, they recommend the cf v3 for dial.
As far as I'm concerned the btf Panda is better, and the gorilla cf is better. This is just judging the dials. But here also, the opinions differ. Others say both dials are better on cf.

 

[Konstantinos_Sv]

cf and btf for me on this dial are really bad..... here is a noob last version dial...

 

[Konstantinos_Sv]

btf is the worst by far... the numbers on the subdials are really off

 

[KGZ]

The btf is pretty clean. My watchmaker looked at it and said it's fine. When he opened my 116520cf he revisioned it right away because there was dust and grime everywhere.

Of course it depends on when and who assembled your movement but from experience, noob and btf movements are cleaner (pun intended).

As for the case, in my opinion the case shape of btf v2 better but other members like @Bobi01 prefer the cf v1 case.

It's very minimal differences and up to opinion.


Also, they recommend the cf v3 for dial.
As far as I'm concerned the btf Panda is better, and the gorilla cf is better. This is just judging the dials. But here also, the opinions differ. Others say both dials are better on cf.

I would still do a full service even if it looks clean. None of the factories will bother to take the time necessary to properly lubricate the movement with the appropriate lubricants.

On the 4130 it’s a must do IMHO. If it fails, it is very hard to repair. You risk ending up with an expensive paperweight.

 

[Storm.]

I would still do a full service even if it looks clean. None of the factories will bother to take the time necessary to properly lubricate the movement with the appropriate lubricants.

On the 4130 it’s a must do IMHO. If it fails, it is very hard to repair. You risk ending up with an expensive paperweight.

Not hard to repair or service at all. 4130 is actually a very simplified movement

You should probably get a different watchsmith

 

[mmaggi]

I would still do a full service even if it looks clean. None of the factories will bother to take the time necessary to properly lubricate the movement with the appropriate lubricants.

On the 4130 it’s a must do IMHO. If it fails, it is very hard to repair. You risk ending up with an expensive paperweight.

That's not an accurate statement. There are watch smiths who can easily work on an SA4130. There are some here and some on the Reddit /reptime sub.

 

[KGZ]

Not hard to repair or service at all. 4130 is actually a very simplified movement

You should probably get a different watchsmith

Never said it was hard to service. The problem with the repair is not the complexity of the movement. It’s the parts that are expensive and hard to get. It’s a clone of an in-house Rolex movement with no spare parts available from the company that makes the clone.

 

[KGZ]

That's not an accurate statement. There are watch smiths who can easily work on an SA4130. There are some here and some on the Reddit /reptime sub.

Again it’s not the work that is problematic. It’s the parts’ availability and price.

As such, I’ll stand by my statement that a full service of the 4130 should be done upon receiving the watch.

But hey anyone is free to take their chances and risk an expensive repair…

 

[mmaggi]

Again it’s not the work that is problematic. It’s the parts’ availability and price.

As such, I’ll stand by my statement that a full service of the 4130 should be done upon receiving the watch.

But hey anyone is free to take their chances and risk an expensive repair…

When I purchased my BTF 116500 SA4130 movement I communicated with a watch smith who advised me NOT to send him the watch for a full service. His advice was to wear it, enjoy it and should it need service in the future to send it to him.

Why did he advise me not to send it in? Because a full service on an SA4130 costs anywhere from $350-$400. But hey.... if you want to spend an additional $350-$400 on top of the $730-$900 you already spent for a watch, knock yourself out.

The choice is yours.

 

[KGZ]

When I purchased my BTF 116500 SA4130 movement I communicated with a watch smith who advised me NOT to send him the watch for a full service. His advice was to wear it, enjoy it and should it need service in the future to send it to him.

Why did he advise me not to send it in? Because a full service on an SA4130 costs anywhere from $350-$400. But hey.... if you want to spend an additional $350-$400 on top of the $730-$900 you already spent for a watch, knock yourself out.

The choice is yours.

Personally, I would rather spend the additional 350-400 on a full service than risking an expensive repair… properly lubricating a watch movement takes time. Do you really think that the workers at CF or BTF will care enough to dedicate the time necessary to do it?

To each his own I guess…

 

[Storm.]

Do you guys know the difference between a service and a revision?

 

[Kaloc]

Do you guys know the difference between a service and a revision?

It’s the same

 

[Storm.]

It’s the same

No it's not. But that's okay.

 

[Kaloc]

No it's not. But that's okay.

How is it not?

 

[Storm.]

How is it not?

A service is a check up. Regulate, maybe oil the rotor. Check if the watch is okay inside. maybe replace gaskets.

A revision is a full taking apart of the movement. Deep clean. Replace parts.

 

[Kaloc]

A service is a check up. Regulate, maybe oil the rotor. Check if the watch is okay inside. maybe replace gaskets.

A revision is a full taking apart of the movement. Deep clean. Replace parts.

it is the same as saying service / full service and revision / full revision

A service can involve disassembling of the movement, cleaning and regulating etc..

Although I don't even think that you use revision in that sense in English

 

[Storm.]

it is the same as saying service / full service and revision / full revision

A service can involve disassembling of the movement, cleaning and regulating etc..

Although I don't even think that you use revision in that sense in English

Okay bro