Hi thanks for the answer, so in the photos the 116520 is gen?I think V3 116500 black dial is very close at least to my eyes. I’m comparing a it with my gen dial don’t see a difference in width and i’m assuming the width is always the same regardless of shininess/ceramic or not. I don’t have a photo of my v3 116500 comparing with my gen 116520 here. But the gen 116520 dial is the same as the clean 116519 as shown in the photo and i think it’s the same as the v3 116500 black dial to my eyes.