I haven't seen anybody mention anything about the height of the canon pinion. Is BP using an H4 pinion??
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I am realy wanting to change the hands next. But cant get anybody to confirm which hand set will work on the new high beat? If anybody could provide a link or tell me if the TC hands set will work. Anything would be great!
TC hands fit most ETA movements. If it's a clone, there's a good chance. But if it's a 21j or DG movement then no.
This not good info Woof. Based on the research I have done on this movement and based on the posts from other respected members that have successfully installed clark ETA hands on the "New 25J movment" (and have discussed it in this very thread!), the answer is: Yes, the "new Asian 25j movement" will take eta sized hands--so the TC hands will work. The TC dial will also work--by the way--with the same mods needed to fit the clone and swiss movements.
I did my homework on this movement and rather than be a dick and tell you to use the "search" feature (wink), I am going to give you a summary of what I have learned (not first hand, since I have never had the movement in any of my watches). First, this not the 21j movement--which is essentially a clone of a miyota 9015 (btw, the "21j" (also referred to generically as a 2813) actually has 23j so I have no idea why we call it a 21j--but don't let me get in the way of rep maker marketing) . Second, this movement is not the same as a DG4813. That is a completely different movement all together from both the "2813"/"21j" and this "New 25J" movement.
This "New" movement has actually been around for a few years, but is only starting to make its way into reps in the last year or so. It is based loosely on the eta 2824. As a result, it has the same placement for dial feet, uses the same hand sizes, has the same stem height, and uses the same dw as eta/clone movements. While the "New" is heavily based on the 2824, it is NOT a clone. The movement manufacturer dumbed down the design a lot, which allows them to product them faster and cheaper. This is evident in the date change mechanism which is a slow change (like a 7750), rather than the quick change at 12 we are used to with clones and eta movements. Shortcuts aside, it could be a reliable movement if the maker has decent QC (not sure whether it does or doesn't). With the benefit of the simplified, no frills design, the "New" movement is much cheaper than the eta clones, but are still more expensive than the run of the mill "2813" movements. The makers still end up saving a lot of money using these movements because they don't have to source different, hands, dials, tubes, crowns for their low end watches. This should be a win/win for everyone--assuming these movements are reliable. I have heard mixed things about the quality of these movements, but since I have no personal experience with them, I will defer to those who have gone the "new 25j" route to weigh in.
Now that I have written up this nice explanation and helped you guys out, maybe you can help me! Does anyone here know whether BP is using a H4 canon pinion on the clone/swiss versions? Maybe one of you guys that own a clone or swiss version can take a macro picture of the canon pinion for me?!?!?!? Thanks!!!
Note: My original post had a harsh tone that, with some thought after the fact, was unwarranted. I edited this post accordingly.
Thank you very much sir. I guess I will order a set of ETA hands and try it out.
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Thanks for the refreshing info! I knew one member posted he used ETA AKA TC Hands on his new high beat movement. But didnt state weather he had to mod it or not?? So this info is musice to my ears! I want to thank you for your input and your research! You have been a great asset to the community with your reviews and research!
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Thanks Rudy. What do you think of the 25j. Does it feel like a "21j' when you wind it? Sead told me most of BP's swiss movements old, badly refurbished sh!t and that BP uses dirt cheap clones for their A2824's---not like the ones noon is currently using. Vac has a thread with pictures of this too. He is sell BP swiss movements fron subs for $75.00..an H-Factory clones for $110.00.It sounds like the 25j is the way to go on these. If it craps out, you can get a good quality clone from TC with the correct CP height and your back in business.
Ironically, my BP AP 15400 has an expo caseback and swiss movement. Since it does not have decorations (besides the gorgeous rotor) to hide the rust and an it an expo case back, my BP watch got a fresh ETA movement.
. I guess that's why it's selling for $388 and the swissDF is selling for $260.00.Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Thanks Rudy. What do you think of the 25j. Does it feel like a "21j' when you wind it? Sead told me most of BP's swiss movements old, badly refurbished sh!t and that BP uses dirt cheap clones for their A2824's---not like the ones noon is currently using. Vac has a thread with pictures of this too. He is sell BP swiss movements fron subs for $75.00..an H-Factory clones for $110.00.It sounds like the 25j is the way to go on these. If it craps out, you can get a good quality clone from TC with the correct CP height and your back in business.
Ironically, my BP AP 15400 has an expo caseback and swiss movement. Since it does not have decorations (besides the gorgeous rotor) to hide the rust and an it an expo case back, my BP watch got a fresh ETA movement.
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No! It doesn't feel like a 21j. And trust me i have owed a thousand of them! LOL!!
Its a little stiff but smooth winding movement.Don't take much to get it going! A few turn's and she is off and running! What really amazes me is the smooth sweep it has. I have owed all kind of movement's including swiss in some older TC subs i have owned. And the sweep on this new movement is on par with some higher end movement's i have owned! But its not my favorite movement like the (Swiss 2824 #4 canon pinion height) like in the old TC Sub's. That will always be my favorite movement to mod. I haven't got to try the new TC clone movement yet. I bought one for a build but sold it because of some troubles i ran in to! So looking forward to buying another one of those in the future and working with it!
Knock Knock!! on wood its still running no issues yet. Fairly new watch though! But its a keeper for me. So we will see how it go's from here in about 6 months or so! I am going to mod the new high beat movement with the TC SD dail and hands now i now it could be done. I will give a step by step review on how the build go's! So far got a gen insert in it and TC SD bracelet on it! But cant wait to get these dull looking hands off it and change everything out! Again thank's on the feed back!
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