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To clarify on Gen tube fitting to a BP SD, firstly the case needs counter boring, not countersinking. There is a differnce, the counterbore is 4mm x 0.7 mm deep and is flat bottomed, hence the term " counterbored" others may call this "spot faced "rather than counterbored. Either way it is not countersunk.

As we are aware the SD has a triple lock crown fitted, this means there are three seal areas on the crown. they are as follows 1) the O-ring inside the crown itself fitted around the clutch stem which seals to the top of the case tube when screwed down. 2) the two O-rings within the case tube itself, which seal on the clutch stem and the 3rd being the O-ring just below the external threading on the case tube.

Now here is where the confusion arises, as there is a fourth seal, which is the one we're discussing above, the one directly between the case tube and case. This is classed as a case part and not part of the "triple lock" crown system as such

The depth and diameter of the counterbore is actually quite critical, if it's not deep enough you will crush the O-ring and split it rendering it ineffective, if it's too deep it won't compress the O-Ring and effect the seal.

The counterbored hole in the case at 4mm dia keeps the seal in place laterally and as the case tube screws in and compresses the seal it does it two dimensionally both width ways and depth way, so as we tighten the case tube into the case the O-ring expands in diameter sealing against the outer wall of the counterbore and also compresses to form a seal between the bottom of the case tube and the bottom of the counterbore

And for this reason a countersunk hole is not effective

Hope this helps
Awesome explanation !!!

Adrian ... If I'm true you are an engineer but I'm wondering :
Do you REALLY work on anything other than watches ?
And if YES how did you find time enough to gather such knowledge and expertise ?
To be true I'm really wondering if you ever sleep.

BTW ...almost every time I read one of your technical posts I quickly copy it and paste it on a doc called "Adrian's horology advices".
That one will go there !!!

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You guys want to know how hard it is to Mint a mint or NOS 16600 T<25 SD Dial. I don't even think words alone are adequate. Please if your looking around for anything look for a Dial for me.

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I have a new BP SD enroute from Sead. Until then I'm enjoying this well used one with a TC bracelet and glidelock clasp that I swapped onto it. Great watch and I much prefer it to the noob v7 116610 LN. Thanks to this thread for the guidance to get this.

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I have a new BP SD entities from
Sead. Until then I enjoying his well used one with a TC bracelet and glidelock clasp that I swapped onto it. Great watch and I much prefer it to the noob v7 116610 LN. Thanks to this thread for the guidance to get this.

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Interesting mix with the modern clasp,
looks great.

I too prefer the 5 digit SD to the 6 digit Sub but I think there is room for both in a collection.


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Awesome looking SD. I have an SD and a DSSD. Now you got me thinking I need to mod my SD. Why do I read these things? I'm gonna go broke on reps:(
 

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Anything new on this model? Seeing the 4000 on sale has me thinking..

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Can I see your QC pictures Sead said the SEL fit was not great with the current batch. I want to buy another for a second build yes the disease is real.

I have a new BP SD enroute from Sead. Until then I'm enjoying this well used one with a TC bracelet and glidelock clasp that I swapped onto it. Great watch and I much prefer it to the noob v7 116610 LN. Thanks to this thread for the guidance to get this.

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Mr Smith

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To clarify on Gen tube fitting to a BP SD, firstly the case needs counter boring, not countersinking. There is a differnce, the counterbore is 4mm x 0.7 mm deep and is flat bottomed, hence the term " counterbored" others may call this "spot faced "rather than counterbored. Either way it is not countersunk.

As we are aware the SD has a triple lock crown fitted, this means there are three seal areas on the crown. they are as follows 1) the O-ring inside the crown itself fitted around the clutch stem which seals to the top of the case tube when screwed down. 2) the two O-rings within the case tube itself, which seal on the clutch stem and the 3rd being the O-ring just below the external threading on the case tube.

Now here is where the confusion arises, as there is a fourth seal, which is the one we're discussing above, the one directly between the case tube and case. This is classed as a case part and not part of the "triple lock" crown system as such

The depth and diameter of the counterbore is actually quite critical, if it's not deep enough you will crush the O-ring and split it rendering it ineffective, if it's too deep it won't compress the O-Ring and effect the seal.

The counterbored hole in the case at 4mm dia keeps the seal in place laterally and as the case tube screws in and compresses the seal it does it two dimensionally both width ways and depth way, so as we tighten the case tube into the case the O-ring expands in diameter sealing against the outer wall of the counterbore and also compresses to form a seal between the bottom of the case tube and the bottom of the counterbore

And for this reason a countersunk hole is not effective

Hope this helps

Thank you ...you said as what I was trying to say..lol...As I was using the wrong words trying to explain my point. I'm by far any expert on this type of work and this is a grey area for me and leave it to modder to sort out. I highly appreciated all efforts you have put into this thread, your amazing what you can do! Again thanks mate
 

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Can I see your QC pictures Sead said the SEL fit was not great with the current batch. I want to buy another for a second build yes the disease is real.

Here they are. I've already accepted so feel free to tear it apart. The SEL and clasp don't look great . Rest looks fine to this rookie.


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Mr Smith

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I can tell you one thing.
They have improved the crown guards on the new ones in the last year?
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Every BPSD I ever purchased new... never had crown guards that looked that good?
Always either had to shape them myself or send it to a modder to shape them ?
So if all the new ones look this good? I think I'll buy another lol?
What version is this may I ask? 23 jewel high beat? 2836- 2? ,3135? I have had members tell me seen 2824- 2 in one? But I yet to see one myself from the factory with 2824?
 

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cwfmon

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I can tell you one thing.
They have improved the crown guards on the new ones in the last year?
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Every BPSD I ever purchased new... never had crown guards that looked that good?
Always either had to shape them myself or send it to a modder to shape them ?
So if all the new ones look this good? I think I'll buy another lol?
What version is this may I ask? 23 jewel high beat? 2836- 2? ,3135? I have had members tell me seen 2824- 2 in one? But I yet to see one myself from the factory with 2824?

It's Asian ETA clone. I'll tell you if it's a2836 or a2824 after I get it. I don't know if there's a 3135 version. Sead said the options are:

21j, 21j 28800cp, clone, miyota, swiss
 

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It's Asian ETA clone. I'll tell you if it's a2836 or a2824 after I get it. I don't know if there's a 3135 version. Sead said the options are:

21j, 21j 28800cp, clone, miyota, swiss

Cool yeah I heard tells of a 2824 being in one from the factory. But never seen one myself. Could be a B'S, story Idk?
I do know for certain some dealers can source sa3135 version of the BPSD.
And was wondering if these cases with different movements have different crown guards? Me I have only bought the 21 high beat which is a 23 jewel movement and 2836 versions of the BPSD, and always had to shape the crown guards. Yours look really good out of the box?
 

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I bought a SA3135 version , but LF was the maker. Not sure if it is any good or crap, but I sent it to Adrian so he can let us know if it is Junk or not.
 

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From a little research I done just now shows two different crown guards on the cases
SA3135
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The cheaper 2836 and 2813 has totally different crown guards
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So I'm guessing if BP factory get low on SA3135 movements? They can slap a 2836 or 2813 in one?
By the way guys Don't think this TD here these pics are research purposes only!!
 

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Mr Smith

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I bought a SA3135 version , but LF was the maker. Not sure if it is any good or crap, but I sent it to Adrian so he can let us know if it is Junk or not.
Ok so LF is the one making the sa3135?
It doesn't state on Josh site who the maker is?..But that can explain why the different crown guards.. Gotcha
 

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I bought a SA3135 version , but LF was the maker. Not sure if it is any good or crap, but I sent it to Adrian so he can let us know if it is Junk or not.

By the way it looks pretty dam good compared to the rest ? Keep us informed of the construction? Probably same as BP?
 

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I didn't like the engravings of the serial number and markings, but that is hidden by the band.

I don't know if a SD is the same as a sub but a 3135 can't go in the 2836 case (if it is the same as the sub)
 

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I bought a SA3135 version , but LF was the maker. Not sure if it is any good or crap, but I sent it to Adrian so he can let us know if it is Junk or not.

You might be on to something here? IDK?
The images are fuzzy at best? But here are some gen side by side with LF sa3135. Gen with the sticker. Like I said images look better on Josh site
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I guess we will see when Adrian gets the watch and takes it apart. I can't wait to see what he thinks. When I took the back off the case was Gen Spec as far as the cutout to out the movement in. But besides taking the bracelet off and the back off that is all I did. I have No experience with 5 digit Rolex's, I only have 6 digit ones.