Bezel and Dial Review of ZZF V2S 116610LV Submariner and Comparison vs. Gen, ARF V3 and Noob V10

[stufuse]

So basically,

you need the correct variation of Gen insert that CF repped to compare it to

You also need the correct gen watch that zzf repped the dial of to compare

This will be the only way to draw a proper comparison, then really you need to see it with your own eyes and not in photos where lighting and angles can vary slightly.

In essence it’s a pointless conversation to be had. The watch looks great, but it and enjoy it!


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[rolex79]

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I'll hype Li all day. Nothing but respect for the man. Professionalism deserves recognition.

You’re kidding me right? He’s absolutely lost my respect and business. He straight up ignores you when it inconveniences him. I’ve asked more times than I can count if he could do a v2 vs V2S insert comparison I lost count. And this would be the easiest comparison to do!

Now we have member’s supposed V2S look exactly like V2 insert in indoor lighting. Easy to mimic outdoor lighting color conditions, the indoor light shows the true hard to replicate green. I’m just praying the V2S and clean Factory v3 inserts I’m getting are up to par. They have clean v-3 stamped on the back of the insert. Will post comparison with gen.

 

[xxBlack]

So basically,

you need the correct variation of Gen insert that CF repped to compare it to

You also need the correct gen watch that zzf repped the dial of to compare

This will be the only way to draw a proper comparison, then really you need to see it with your own eyes and not in photos where lighting and angles can vary slightly.

In essence it’s a pointless conversation to be had. The watch looks great, but it and enjoy it!


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and what is the correct gen version?

 

[jcher]

V2s gen crystal and what about DW? Date window looks little smaller than usual or am i wrong

It's a gen one from 2015, it was to show the variations especially in QC at Rolex as there are issues with the crystal's mag and lack of A/R (no blackhole)

 

[Smoke]

We need smoke opinion here

The proto is way better the proto has a metallic look the rep insert on the s looks flat and opaque still noce though

 

[Smoke]

there are 3 different variations of the Hulk gen insert.
Surely the problems with rep watches are reflections. So often when they approach the gen with the same light sources they are different. You have to compare them in their entirety and not in a single shot.

Not true all hulk gen inserts are the same shade bro

 

[Smoke]

Maybe some of the gen experts can chime in. as we see variations on gen dials like fonts etc seen on [mention]ineedhelpnow [/mention] gen and the zzf due to different year of production. is it indeed possible that we will see a variation albeit small in the insert colour and detail? If this is the case then we will need to know what year insert the cf was replicating and then compare it to the same production run in gen, as we would if comparing dials.


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Not the case

 

[Smoke]

Now this is what I wanted to hear. A comparison is no good unless we are comparing the same thing in same conditions. It’s almost a pointless exercise to put a (for instance) 2015 hulk and compare to a rep of a 2018 model.


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Not true mate I promise you that.

 

[Smoke]

which version is that?

This looks like my 100 percent gen colour proto on the left and that's a gen on the right.see the metallic property of the gen and the rep next to it.very shiny.the rep inserts look milky and opaque but it's also possible it's the v2 s insert because if you look closely you can still see a slight difference in colour but this is not noticeable especially in this lighting that was used outside

 

[xxBlack]

Damn..


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[Smoke]

So basically,

you need the correct variation of Gen insert that CF repped to compare it to

You also need the correct gen watch that zzf repped the dial of to compare

This will be the only way to draw a proper comparison, then really you need to see it with your own eyes and not in photos where lighting and angles can vary slightly.

In essence it’s a pointless conversation to be had. The watch looks great, but it and enjoy it!


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I'm may to do the comparison. He is busy but for sure the s insert is brighter and nicer than the v2 version

 

[Smoke]

Just received my zzf v2s. Here are my contributions. Hope you guys enjoy it. The picture orientation seems to have messed up upon upload. It's upright on my phone when I captured the photo. If someone can fix it that would be great for viewing.

The insert is not there yet. Gen is very much more 'alive' for a lack of a better word. But it cost a fraction of it. Reps have come a long way.

Left is gen. Right is zzf v2s.

Also there is a possibility that that is a v2 and not the s verion.in that pic.because the s version inserts I've seen look pretty close to gen and this insert looks like the old v2 insert
the dial goes dark black mixed with green at the same time in the gen but the zzf struggles to keep up.the bp /gmf/vrf dial with these amazing clean markers is the way to go for perfectionists

 

[Bobi01]

So we are paying for proto and getting milky color bezel,i dont understand now who is crazy here

 

[Bobi01]

Also there is a possibility that that is a v2 and not the s verion.in that pic.because the s version inserts I've seen look pretty close to gen and this insert looks like the old v2 insert

Yeah it looks so like v2

 

[Smoke]

So we are paying for proto and getting milky color bezel,i dont understand now who is crazy here

I dont think the s verion insert comes close to the proto.the proto insert is identical to gen.t just wished they released it
but that comparison of that gen bezel assembly with insert on the right and rep.imsert on the left in Chinese looks to be the perfect insert and looks identical to gen in green shade .iridescence and colour.just luke the prototype but you can see the pearl is way different obviously and the numbers looks different slightly

 

[ineedhelpnow]

Also there is a possibility that that is a v2 and not the s verion.in that pic.because the s version inserts I've seen look pretty close to gen and this insert looks like the old v2 insert

So... I kinda got fucked by Li? Dang. He told me no more v2 all v2s.

 

[Bobi01]

I dont think the s verion insert comes close to the proto.the proto insert is identical to gen.t just wished they released it
but that comparison of that gen bezel assembly with insert on the right and rep.imsert on the left in Chinese looks to be the perfect insert and looks identical to gen in green shade .iridescence and colour.just luke the prototype but you can see the pearl is way different obviously and the numbers looks different slightly

Yeah bro but we got review and comparison in the beggining of this thread isnt that true? And from that photos we pulled the thrigger for it,i bet 50% of us wouldnt buy it if we known that v2s isnt even close to gen color

 

[tjdilla]

which version is that?

and equally which is gen?

 

[Smoke]

So... I kinda got fucked by Li? Dang. He told me no more v2 all v2s.

No you cant really say that because you cant be sure it's a v2 insert and it's not li it's the factory to blame if they're using up old stock.just like they do with noob v2 v3 v5 v6s and v7 and v8 andv9 they all came out using old dials or inserts left' over from older stock.they think no1 will notice. That's the factorys work to get rid of old stock parts in the past.plaus this is the first comparison of the v2s vs gen .so the s insert may just be not good.but in parts of this thread the v2 inserts I've seen look juicy and vibrant and hella close to gen and the clean proto

 

[FREEWIFI]

there are 3 different variations of the Hulk gen insert.
Surely the problems with rep watches are reflections. So often when they approach the gen with the same light sources they are different. You have to compare them in their entirety and not in a single shot.

Not true

Color in the is always the same all over the years of production of the model. Never changed.

There is not 3, but 4 “versions” (mark 0, mark 1, mark 2, mark 3) of the gen hulk.


(Understand for “version”: minimal changes that usually people doesn’t care/see like -spacing between = 300 m and the position of the X about the D (of date) less than a milimeter, or a slightly elongated “F”- but under a macro you call them a “tell”)

IMO this ZZF looks so nice, it gets the darker tones of the gen. Under heavy light the rep always is going to show a “cheaper finished sunburst” not proper of a 8000€ watch.

This is the most striking point to me (the darker tones) , with no light (ie at night) and at a distance of 3-4 meters 90% the hulk seems black or extremely dark . Some gen owners around here probably can relate about this.