ARF Batman Prototype

[Kayatsu1]

Can you explain to me why and where ARF gmt case is wrong?
i built my franken on the ARF case with VR movement and all gen parts, do you think i should use another case? and if so, which one?

Thank you very much

I saw your franken and it’s beautiful.
However if you ask me, ARF case is totally wrong. GMT lugs should be slimmer than sub ones to start. ARF lugs are as big as the ones of a correct sub case. They are too fat for a GMT.
Second, they are too soft and lack gen sharpness.
Third, curvature on ARF lugs/case is not correct at all. They miss the right lugs/side curvature that gen has. This contribute to make the watch looks fat.
Lastly, CGs are slimmer and of a different shape/lenght of the ones of the gen and this is absolutely evident to the eye if you know the gen. For lugs you need to look carefully, for CGs no. They are obvious.
When I look at ARF cases I just think they are trolling us making all their watches fatter than gen.

Noob cases are better. Also VRF ones are.
To validate what I am saying just look at plenty of gen/ARF photos and videos and it will become evident also to you. Even Better, if you can, is to check in real life with the gen side by side.

 

[Mark1937]

I saw your franken and it’s beautiful.
However if you ask me, ARF case is totally wrong. GMT lugs should be slimmer than sub ones to start. ARF lugs are as big as the ones of a correct sub case. They are too fat for a GMT.
Second, they are too soft and lack gen sharpness.
Third, curvature on ARF lugs/case is not correct at all. They miss the right lugs/side curvature that gen has. This contribute to make the watch looks fat.
Lastly, CGs are way slimmer and of a different shape of the ones of the gen and this is absolutely evident to the eye if you know the gen. For lugs you need to look carefully, for CGs no. They are obvious.
When I look at ARF cases I just think they are trolling us making all their watches fatter than gen.

Noob cases are better. Also VRF ones are.
To validate what I am saying just look at plenty of gen/ARF photos and videos and it will become evident also to you. Even Better, if you can, is to check in real life with the gen side by side.

Thank you very much bro ;-)
can you tell me wich GMT case is the best? I think I can't use Noob (time bomb) case for VR 3185 movement...

 

[Kayatsu1]

Thank you very much bro ;-)
can you tell me wich GMT case is the best? I think I can't use Noob (time bomb) case for VR 3185 movement...

No problem mate.
Noob case is the best. If you can’t fit a VR inside just get a VRF case.

This is everything I can say after a lot of research I did.

Also keeping your ARF case could be an option if you are visually satisfied by it. I would not but it’s subjective.

 

[KJ2020]

I saw your franken and it’s beautiful.
However if you ask me, ARF case is totally wrong. GMT lugs should be slimmer than sub ones to start. ARF lugs are as big as the ones of a correct sub case. They are too fat for a GMT.
Second, they are too soft and lack gen sharpness.
Third, curvature on ARF lugs/case is not correct at all. They miss the right lugs/side curvature that gen has. This contribute to make the watch looks fat.
Lastly, CGs are way slimmer and of a different shape of the ones of the gen and this is absolutely evident to the eye if you know the gen. For lugs you need to look carefully, for CGs no. They are obvious.
When I look at ARF cases I just think they are trolling us making all their watches fatter than gen.

Noob cases are better. Also VRF ones are.
To validate what I am saying just look at plenty of gen/ARF photos and videos and it will become evident also to you. Even Better, if you can, is to check in real life with the gen side by side.

I don't agree with this. ARF GMT cases are not the same as their Sub cases - the lugs are not fat. ARF lugs are nearly identical to Noob's. Soft is not a term I would use with the ARF case.

CGs look fine to me also. Gen Pepsi next to ARF

 

[preppyr6]

You may have restored some faith in ARF here. Cmooonnnn QC pics!!


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[Kayatsu1]

I don't agree with this. ARF GMT cases are not the same as their Sub cases - the lugs are not fat. ARF lugs are nearly identical to Noob's. Soft is not a term I would use with the ARF case.

CGs look fine to me also. Gen Pepsi next to ARF

Even if I have a great deal of respect for you, I must disagree with your opinion this time.
1) You are confronting the wrong CGs. These are two different models. The new 126710 BLRO is different from the old BLNR 116710 which is the model we are talking about.

2) Regarding lugs, even if the difference is way less evident than with their subs, they are wrong and it will be incredibly easy to confront a video picturing the gen with an ARF if you don’t have currently a gen in hands. You will see that the ARF case will look definitely fatter. Lack of right curves on edges too.

Noob case is not perfect too. But better I think.
Also I would add that I am not the only one that has this opinion. Other members here share the same.
Maybe it’s a matter of preference but I am not the only one.

 

[preppyr6]

You may have restored some faith in ARF here. Cmooonnnn QC pics!!


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[Mark1937]

Even if I have a great deal of respect for you, I must disagree with your opinion this time.
1) You are confronting the wrong CGs. These are two different models. The new 126710 BLRO is different from the old BLNR 116710 which is the model we are talking about.

2) Regarding lugs, even if the difference is way less evident than with their subs, they are wrong and it will be incredibly easy to confront a video picturing the gen with an ARF if you don’t have currently a gen in hands. You will see that the ARF case will look definitely fatter. Lack of right curves on edges too.

Noob case is not perfect too. But better I think.
Also I would add that I am not the only one that has this opinion. Other members here share the same.
Maybe it’s a matter of preference but I am not the only one.

VRF 116710 case?

gen 116710 and 126710 have different case?

 

[Kayatsu1]

VRF 116710 case?

gen 116710 and 126710 have different case?

They have.

 

[Fervid]

VRF 116710 case?

gen 116710 and 126710 have different case?

Correct, slightly different case, new movement with the crown at the 6 on the dial.

 

[BlackJaguar]

They have.

Correct. If I’m not mistaken, the 126710 has slimmer lugs to give it a more refined look.

 

[BlackJaguar]

Also, Puretime updated the posting. It now has a price drop and is labeled as a prototype. it’s on preorder. I’d wait on this until the movement is updated. I agree with Saucin.

link: https://puretimewatch.io/featured-pr...prototype.html

 

[saucin]

Also, Puretime update the posting. It now has a price drop and is labeled as a prototype. it’s on preorder.

link: https://puretimewatch.io/featured-p...rf-1-1-best-edition-sh3186-chs-prototype.html

For anyone considering this. You might as well add $130-175 to the price ($190-$235 if you aren’t able to do mods yourself). The SH3186 movements are absolute trash - ticking time bomb in my opinion... Mine died after only 2 months of use. You’ll need to upgrade to VR3185 movement for any longevity. It’s also a process getting the ARF hands to fit properly, so keep that in mind as well. Not an easy swap for a novice modded.


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[BlackJaguar]

For anyone considering this. You might as well add $130-175 to the price ($190-$235 if you aren’t able to do mods yourself). The SH3186 movements are absolute trash - ticking time bomb in my opinion... Mine died after only 2 months of use. You’ll need to upgrade to VR3185 movement for any longevity. It’s also a process getting the ARF hands to fit properly, so keep that in mind as well. Not an easy swap for a novice modded.


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Fully agreed with this. Honestly, disappointed that they didn’t update the movement. Didn’t ARF had its new clone movement? Why go back to the SH3186?

 

[KJ2020]

ARF is not going to update their movement or their case if/when they put out a 126710. The Batman keeping the SH3186 is their confirmation.

VRF 116710 and 126710 cases are the same. The 116710 VRF models are engraved 126710. So a VRF case isn't going to match both gen models.

I think the ARF case is better than the VRF, certainly the bracelet and clasp are. VRF rehaut ledge can be rough and need sanding and polishing. ARF hands are much better. We still have to mix and match but many combos should satisfy most of us.

Hands comparison

 

[Mark1937]

CG are so different :-(

 

[Kayatsu1]

CG are so different :-(

Confronting pictures is always very difficult, for example here there is not the same angle and gen CGs may have been polished but difference is still visible. with the right pictures of comparison you will see it even more. Making wrong CGs in 2021 for a top factory is really disappointing

 

[Kayatsu1]

From the picture it is also very evident the difference between gen fonts and arf fonts, gen and arf lume and gen and arf indices. ARF wasn't even able to make indices of the same dimensions, crazy

 

[stufuse]

From the picture it is also very evident the difference between gen fonts and arf fonts, gen and arf lume and gen and arf indices. ARF wasn't even able to make indices of the same dimensions, crazy

The usual off the scale brilliant white lume. How they still haven’t changed it I don’t know. Squared dial indices still.


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[Sdc83]

ARF is not going to update their movement or their case if/when they put out a 126710. The Batman keeping the SH3186 is their confirmation.

VRF 116710 and 126710 cases are the same. The 116710 VRF models are engraved 126710. So a VRF case isn't going to match both gen models.

I think the ARF case is better than the VRF, certainly the bracelet and clasp are. VRF rehaut ledge can be rough and need sanding and polishing. ARF hands are much better. We still have to mix and match but many combos should satisfy most of us.

Hands comparison

regardless of the wrong mid case (both the sub and the gmt Arf) I will buy an Arf when Arf swaps that crappy Sh moviment with that crap dw. If I have to buy a watch already knowing that I have to spend another 170/200 euros to change the movement, I rather buy another watch with the right movement.