ARF 16610 LV Submariner 904L Kermit photo review

[m5smg2]

If you plan to sell let me know

You’re on my list

 

[SHB]

You’re on my list

Thanks mate

 

[mnkoshka]

To each their own, of course. 904L is just whiter in color. You can even see it in the rehaut - it’s brighter. And not just because I have both metals on hand (same factory, same brushing) but because I see how 904L comes alive in the sun in a way 316 can’t.

I do agree that 904L has slightly brighter appearance in natural light and it mainly comes down to how the material reacts with light after its surface is cut. I think I look at so much stainless I just don’t pay much attention anymore lol.
Rolex also use a different technique to get the shiny surface finish of their rehaut, it drove me crazy trying to mimic that on the 6 digit reps but the machining feed rate used is poor so its almost impossible with out damaging the engravings. I even used our SRM ( surface roughness machine ) to find out haha. There’s a large measurable difference between the rehaut surface finish compared to the case/ bracelet finish on a gen Rolex..... its similar but definitely not as far apart for the v3 ARF case I had.


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[mnkoshka]

To be honest, if everyone could immediately tell the difference Angus probably wouldn’t bother to show us results from his spectroscope lol. The rep factories have apparently been selling mixes of 316L clasps and bracelets with 904L cases and nobody new the difference. Makes me want to chemical test my 904 watches now lol


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[stufuse]

[mention]m5smg2 [/mention] hey chap,
What’s your thoughts on the insert? Better colour than stock Jf? Worse? No real difference?


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[m5smg2]

To be honest, if everyone could immediately tell the difference Angus probably wouldn’t bother to show us results from his spectroscope lol. The rep factories have apparently been selling mixes of 316L clasps and bracelets with 904L cases and nobody new the difference. Makes me want to chemical test my 904 watches now lol


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Yes good point. To be fair, the difference between a gen Rolex 904 and say gen AP, IWC, Patek 316 is subtle. It’s more noticeable under certain lighting or direct sunlight where 904 just wakes up and gets brighter.

 

[m5smg2]

I do agree that 904L has slightly brighter appearance in natural light and it mainly comes down to how the material reacts with light after its surface is cut. I think I look at so much stainless I just don’t pay much attention anymore lol.
Rolex also use a different technique to get the shiny surface finish of their rehaut, it drove me crazy trying to mimic that on the 6 digit reps but the machining feed rate used is poor so its almost impossible with out damaging the engravings. I even used our SRM ( surface roughness machine ) to find out haha. There’s a large measurable difference between the rehaut surface finish compared to the case/ bracelet finish on a gen Rolex..... its similar but definitely not as far apart for the v3 ARF case I had.


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I think I know what you mean. The first ARF Sub C rehauts were a little rough and dull. I had tried using a Cape Cod polishing cloth for a just few light passes on the rehaut, careful not to dull the engravings. It gave the rehaut some sheen and looked a little smoother, but without removing the crystal is was messy to clean out with soapy water. Not worth the trouble unless you remove the crystal..

 

[mnkoshka]

I think I know what you mean. The first ARF Sub C rehauts were a little rough and dull. I had tried using a Cape Cod polishing cloth for a just few light passes on the rehaut, careful not to dull the engravings. It gave the rehaut some sheen and looked a little smoother, but without removing the crystal is was messy to clean out with soapy water. Not worth the trouble unless you remove the crystal..

Yeah I had the exact same issue the dj41 the more I used cape cod cloth the more it showed the bad machining. They are getting better though but personally I prefer the 5 digits with no engravings


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[mnkoshka]

I think I know what you mean. The first ARF Sub C rehauts were a little rough and dull. I had tried using a Cape Cod polishing cloth for a just few light passes on the rehaut, careful not to dull the engravings. It gave the rehaut some sheen and looked a little smoother, but without removing the crystal is was messy to clean out with soapy water. Not worth the trouble unless you remove the crystal..

Yeah I had the exact same issue the dj41 the more I used cape cod cloth the more it showed the bad machining. They are getting better though but personally I prefer the 5 digits with no engravings


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[Kid68]

Got mine the other day!
Love it!
Can't wait to get the gen dw installed.
Only kinda thing about it is the bezel has a little wiggle with it

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[m5smg2]

Got mine the other day!
Love it!
Can't wait to get the gen dw installed.
Only kinda thing about it is the bezel has a little wiggle with it

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Looking good. The dw would make such a difference. Please post some photos in the sun for us. Thanks

 

[masterpiece777]

Got mine the other day!
Love it!
Can't wait to get the gen dw installed.
Only kinda thing about it is the bezel has a little wiggle with it

Hi buddy first of all congrats with your KERMIT!
looks good and what’s exactly wiggle maybe you should pull the bezel of and pop it on again?
hopefully it’s nothing serious.
But any way enjoy your green frog!

I have ordered mine last week and should arrive next week,can’t wait

I have gen xtal,movement,DW,crown waiting for this baby.
Anyone knows if I can use the gen gasket for my xtal,or should I use just the stock ARF?
(Since ARF mostly don’t accept gen gaskets)

And I am also very interested in the inlay color And Pearl. Are compared with the gen..
And like a other member asked wich inlay would be the better of both JF VS ARF?

 

[m5smg2]

Hi buddy first of all congrats with your KERMIT!
looks good and what’s exactly wiggle maybe you should pull the bezel of and pop it on again?
hopefully it’s nothing serious.
But any way enjoy your green frog!

I have ordered mine last week and should arrive next week,can’t wait

I have gen xtal,movement,DW,crown waiting for this baby.
Anyone knows if I can use the gen gasket for my xtal,or should I use just the stock ARF?
(Since ARF mostly don’t accept gen gaskets)

And I am also very interested in the inlay color And Pearl. Are compared with the gen..
And like a other member asked wich inlay would be the better of both JF VS ARF?

Sounds like you’re upgrading all the right bits. Did you say gen movement?

Yes the bezel action is not quite as tight and turns with less effort than the JF. But it sits perfectly flush with the case with no gap.

I’m curious on the crystal gasket too and also on the JF when the crystal was upgraded..

 

[masterpiece777]

Sounds like you’re upgrading all the right bits. Did you say gen movement?

Yes the bezel action is not quite as tight and turns with less effort than the JF. But it sits perfectly flush with the case with no gap.

I’m curious on the crystal gasket too and also on the JF when the crystal was upgraded..

yeah still have NOS 3135 with non blue parachrome hairspring,so perfect for the Kermit!

ok so if change the click-spring for a gen this would solve the wiggle isssue?

 

[masterpiece777]

here are the parts screaming to be placed in the frog :woohoo:

 

[m5smg2]

[mention]m5smg2 [/mention] hey chap,
What’s your thoughts on the insert? Better colour than stock Jf? Worse? No real difference?


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Hi Stu. Our KJ2020 with his keen eye spotted the “2” font on the 20 is off. Not sure how they goofed that as the rest of the aluminum insert looks identical to the JF.

Other than that, I see no difference in metallic green color, fonts, gen fit, or even the pearl.

 

[mari115]

Some will still disagree and say that there is no difference between the two metals. The one who say that are either lacking the basic observational skills or just don't know what they are talking about.

904l and 316l steel, when compared side by side, are easily distinguishable.

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You should read this lmao

https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/9299400-quick-game-904l-or-316l

 

[MikeMeezy77]

This thread is really making me want to pull the trigger on a 5 digit Kermit. JF snd ARF are basically the same correct? JF seems to have the better cosmetic gen-like features...but they’re the same as ARF and botched it? Wtf lol


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[m5smg2]

here are the parts screaming to be placed in the frog :woohoo:

You definitely win with all those gen bits in a true 904L package. And you’ll always have the gen parts

 

[masterpiece777]

You definitely win with all those gen bits in a true 904L package. And you’ll always have the gen parts

Hahahah lmaof the gen could had spoten especially by the specific hairline swirls.
But tbh other 2 Daytona’s did not had a clue..

But about the winkle on the bezel could this be solved with a gen clickspring?
And does the AR takes a gen click spring?

And did not get you right is the inlay exact same or is JF have a better one?




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