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AP Diver JF V9 is out.
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Rayz20 - well said, 100% agree that it's not possible to distinguish while on the wrist.
it's a different story if inspected closely, I can easily tell the difference bw sweeps of gen sub vs gen ap diver
also has anyone held gen vs rep side by side? When ppl say it's a superep, does it mean that there are no obvious tells even if you closely inspect them holding both at the same time?
Just to give you an example, I recently went to a local pawn shop to try on FC Diver, and the guys (who specialize in high end watches trade) told me that they got fooled and acquired a rep Rolex oyster with grape dial (and they even examined the mech). Now that's a superrep...
it's a different story if inspected closely, I can easily tell the difference bw sweeps of gen sub vs gen ap diver
also has anyone held gen vs rep side by side? When ppl say it's a superep, does it mean that there are no obvious tells even if you closely inspect them holding both at the same time?
Just to give you an example, I recently went to a local pawn shop to try on FC Diver, and the guys (who specialize in high end watches trade) told me that they got fooled and acquired a rep Rolex oyster with grape dial (and they even examined the mech). Now that's a superrep...
On close inspection anyone with knowledge of watches will known JF Diver is a fake and it has nothing to do with the sweep. Lol.
Nobody looks at sweep to assess authenticity. You look at the fit, finish etc.
On close examination of the dial/hands/tachy you can identify a rep diver.
Don’t know how that pawn shop “specialist” got fooled. Did he not use a loupe? Rep lume application is an instant tell under loupe. Engraving is also not crisp. Tachy numerals are a joke (under loupe).
At wrist distance, the reps are practically impossible to call out IMO
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Whilst I completely agree with you about the finish on the hands (always a tell-tale sign, rep ones are very poor under the loupe) you are giving many pawn shop workers more credit than they deserve. They get shafted all the time.
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In the story re pawn shop I was referring to oyster perpetual, not ap diver.
Anyways, despite all the flaws I think I will stick to a rep)
In the story re pawn shop I was referring to oyster perpetual, not ap diver.
Anyways, despite all the flaws I think I will stick to a rep)
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I mean i friend of mine had a Breitling Rep and he asked me to change the leather strap.
and i went with my Gen Panerai to the local watch shop. The Woman didnt even know Panerai lol and then she said the Breitling looks very well made. (Small- Medium City)
(i just want to say even a normal watch woman that know Hublot,Rolex,AP etc probably couldnt tell the fake how should normal people even identify the rep we guys know the Flaws of every Rep but we always need to remember a normal person that just knows AP ,Rolex from hearing never could Recognize the Rep. I mean she probably wasnt that good but im sure she knows the basic's of watches.
But Tbh i would never go toa AP Store with my Rep AP im sure ! they couldnt tell that the Diver is a Rep just from seeing me Wrist (even the AP worker) but if i give them the watch i'll better leave the Store lol.
and i went with my Gen Panerai to the local watch shop. The Woman didnt even know Panerai lol and then she said the Breitling looks very well made. (Small- Medium City)
(i just want to say even a normal watch woman that know Hublot,Rolex,AP etc probably couldnt tell the fake how should normal people even identify the rep we guys know the Flaws of every Rep but we always need to remember a normal person that just knows AP ,Rolex from hearing never could Recognize the Rep. I mean she probably wasnt that good but im sure she knows the basic's of watches.
But Tbh i would never go toa AP Store with my Rep AP im sure ! they couldnt tell that the Diver is a Rep just from seeing me Wrist (even the AP worker) but if i give them the watch i'll better leave the Store lol.
I know. I was generally speaking that under a loupe a rep is easy to identify by somebody in the know. But at wrist distance and even on quick close inspection, super-reps are practically impossible to identify (unless you’re one of the x200 or so members here with super eyes).
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I think the problem is that some people buy a used watch with a PM80 in it and use that. I have 3 PM80s from brand New watches and they all sweep perfectly. So that might be the difference. On a smaller face Rolex it is hard for me to see the difference. On the bigger AP it looks different.
As far as a Rolex OP Grape and Brietling SeaWolf that I had, I literally could not tell them apart from the Gen, and I had the Gen Grape and still have the Gen SeaWolf. I am sure if you put them under heavy magnification you would see differences. But with 2X magnification I could not see a difference. But all my Reps go out for Service as soon as I get them. That makes a Huge difference on how they feel. Everything (including the bracelet) gets ultrasonicly cleaned.
As far as a low beat diver goes, it is personal preference. I spent 4 hours yesterday stairing at pictures of Gen divers and the dial on all of them look really "wet", so from 1 foot away the biggest tell is the rep dial doesn't look "wet". So I guess there is no reason to low beat the rep until you fix the wetness of the dial (or put a v3.5 dial in it)
As far as a Rolex OP Grape and Brietling SeaWolf that I had, I literally could not tell them apart from the Gen, and I had the Gen Grape and still have the Gen SeaWolf. I am sure if you put them under heavy magnification you would see differences. But with 2X magnification I could not see a difference. But all my Reps go out for Service as soon as I get them. That makes a Huge difference on how they feel. Everything (including the bracelet) gets ultrasonicly cleaned.
As far as a low beat diver goes, it is personal preference. I spent 4 hours yesterday stairing at pictures of Gen divers and the dial on all of them look really "wet", so from 1 foot away the biggest tell is the rep dial doesn't look "wet". So I guess there is no reason to low beat the rep until you fix the wetness of the dial (or put a v3.5 dial in it)
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I really wanted to buy the V9 now but the Font is not that accurate..
could be perfect with a mikey DW?
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more a "very good" perfect are only gens or super frankness
i think for the price it would be a perfect deal not a perfect rep but a very very accurate rep Not worth buying in gen from the super-rep list, yeah
Yes, And other things that Tosoboso has pointed out as well.
But I think it is a First Class Rep (To steal terminology from the Pam section).
Went through 2 sets of dial and hands on my first try..
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If I remember right, this is his rep diver with HFAC dial, PM80, Mikey DW build - was interested til I found out he's in Canada