Any respond Luthier?

[mzcool]

I agree that if he was profiting then he should deliver.


Sent from 1:1 app made with a gen tapatalk as sample.

Btw, it seems like he did take some money from people on the RWG watch and then took a extremely long time to refund them when he couldn't deliver.

"Just after the RWG watch was announced, I became a full fledged idiot & did the one thing we were all told NOT to do....I paid Luthier for 2 RWG watches in advance. Yes, I was an idiot, or still am according to the person I live with. A short time later Luthier had a hissy fit after being called out by the bosses on some of his famous stupid accusations. He then quit, took his ball, & went home like a little girl. I then began to wonder why, someone who had claimed to have invested so much of his $ in this project, would quit the place he had invested so much of his money in. Doesn't make a whole lot of business sense does it? I think even an idiot, such as me, would have stuck around long enough to get my money back before I left. So, I began to ask for my $ back. That's when I began to get the runaround. It took Luthier (Mr. $2K Dinners) almost 7 months & several small payments to refund my money. If I hadn't badgered him throughout that whole time, he'd still owe me. I ended up asking him to have Mary send me a watch for the balance. Funny thing is, he treated me like shit the whole time. The worse part was that I never had the balls to tell him what I really thought. I wanted my money back more than the satisfaction of telling him what I really thought."

From RWG.bz

 

[Mike116]

^ always learning aye mike.good on you for saying your piece

 

[jacobarch]

I think some of you are missing the point of the OP (on RWG) and what has actually happened.

Serge paid for Straps & buckles (not watches)
This is something that should have taken 4 to 6 weeks to complete the order. Not TWO YEARS! So Luths comment about how long it should take to make these products is complete and utter bs. I have personally dealt with factories in China and 90% of the time they WILL drag their feet if you don't hold them to the fire. Pretty much same thing applies with business in general.

You guys have to understand that SergeD's product relies on whats popular RIGHT NOW. For instance when I first came to the boards about 2 years ago Omegas were popular, then Breitling, then Pams etc etc. When serge was making this order he was going off what was popular in the market place. So now that he's going to get a bunch of straps after the fact kind of defeats the purpose. We all know Luth and how he talks a big game. He just didn't back it up whatsoever and now is not taking responsibility.
Truth is Luth made himself the liaison between Serge and China, he failed and wont take any responsibility. And that gentlemen is bad business.

 

[AllergyDoc]

Who here, who has responded in this thread, has done business with Chinese factories?

 

[mzcool]

Who here, who has responded in this thread, has done business with Chinese factories?

Luthier has, so perhaps he should have warned Serge about how long it might take before taking his money.

 

[jacobarch]

Who here, who has responded in this thread, has done business with Chinese factories?

ready my thread right above yours, lol.

 

[AllergyDoc]

lol In what capacity? Factories making parts for replica watches?

 

[mzcool]

lol In what capacity? Factories making parts for replica watches?

He has always been boasting of his connections to the replica watch industry. That and he was responsible for the RWG watch, which didn't happen, as we all know.

 

[jacobarch]

lol In what capacity? Factories making parts for replica watches?

No not rep watches. Clothing and watch boxes. There's a reason why it's taken two years. It's the same reason as why companies send a QC/product manager to oversee everything that being done otherwise shit wont get done.
There's also other ways to go about doing business. You never EVER EVER give them all of the money up front. You put it in an escrow account & give them a retainer to start work. When the product is finished they get their money. It's really the only way to protect your investment on your end and theirs.

 

[TESLA760]

No not rep watches. Clothing and watch boxes. There's a reason why it's taken two years. It's the same reason as why companies send a QC/product manager to oversee everything that being done otherwise shit wont get done.
There's also other ways to go about doing business. You never EVER EVER give them all of the money up front. You put it in an escrow account & give them a retainer to start work. When the product is finished they get their money. It's really the only way to protect your investment on your end and theirs.

Smart man right here. I have a good friend who does lots of business in China and this is exactly how he operates. You obviously know what you're talking about.

 

[arcadia]

Who here, who has responded in this thread, has done business with Chinese factories?

I do. Like Subjeff, I do not and will not side with anyone on this beef between Luth and Serge. They are grownups. I know that they can settle this as men and move on. What I can simply say:

1. It may not take 2 years but it actually takes a lot of delays to get orders from China and ship them abroad especially if it’s your first order that only has a few zeroes in them. More often than not, you will get bumped by bigger orders and important customers. It doesn’t matter if they are needles, watches, straps, cars, guitars, or otherwise. You ask to get in the door, you first must fall in line.

2. Do not trust your money to someone whom you haven’t met. If it was a backdoor deal, you also have to prepare yourself to deal with backdoor risks. This site primarily y protects those that are on-site, i.e. dealt through proper channels such as sales section, parts section etc. If I want something done right, I do it myself. Then I teach someone to do it for me. If I can find a referral, I would appreciate it. If that middleman fails, I go back: I do it myself.

3. If the middleman does it ‘pro bono’, I will return his favour through other means. If the middleman gets something out of it, I expect that. No one should have free lunch.

4. If the middleman doesn’t deliver, I will blame myself and trust him no more. Again, I should have done it myself.

5. Never put your fate and that of your family in the sole hand of another person. Discussing family issues in business must not be done to gain sympathy. All of us hold someone dear to us.

6. If someone talks of a big game, thread carefully in dealing with him. Everyone has vision. Not everyone can get the job done. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don’t make

 

[Jordan27]

Notice how no one is satisfied with what they asked for and received... If it was that bad, do you think we wouldn't have had the mods in, banners up and people jumping up and down?

threads definitely run it's course... Soon enough there will be a member to member squabble and all he'll will break loose...

We heard luths side, now let's just sit and wait for some developments? Instead of throwing gasoline on the fire...


I hate conflict

 

[trailboss99]

So, this thread benefits RWI in what way? Somebody wanna help me here?

It doesn't, not in the least.

Boss, I was just over at RWG and viewing the Luth thread and was shocked to see it at the top of the "Home Page" like he is a scammer. Has the jury spoken?

Nope, see below.

Who here, who has responded in this thread, has done business with Chinese factories?

Quite . . .


ENOUGH!


Right, I have tried to stay out of this but it looks like I need to have a say. First up, this is the Flame Free Zone so enough accusations please and that goes both ways. Serge is not a scammer, neither is Luth. Serge was banned for a thretened PP dispute against RepGeek. We as a forum will not tolerate any threats directed against any of the fora by anyone, the ban was automatic in as much as it would have applied no matter who was involved. Regrettable maybe but he lost his head and did one of the few things that's beyond argument. We all know what a PP dispute can mean to the respondent. I will not have folk saying he scammed any more than I will accept similar statements about Luthier.

Secondly: Luth is not a scammer, Luth has made a bad decision and looks to have offered a service he could not provide. That makes him a bad businessman who needs to make good on a deal that has gone on for far, far too long, it does not mean he set out with intent to defraud and I will not tolerate anyone saying he did. Comparing him to the likes of Denisspa and other major scammers is a load of crap and probably actionable, as such I do not want to hear any more of it.

Luth will make good, I will make certain of it. I will get this sorted believe you me. I don't blame Serge, I wouldn't be waiting 2 years for a shipment I had paid for without getting shitty either. No, it's not directly Luth's fault but since he put himself in the middle and accepted monies on behalf of the suppliers he needs to be responsible for putting this right regardless of the fact he's not directly responsible. I am talking to all parties on the matter and I expect a resolution sooner rather than later.

Can someone please explain WTF this has to do with the RWG watch? One person sent Luth money for that against everyone's wishes including Luth's, he didn't want it. That has been repaid and no one with the exception of Luthier is out one red cent on that watch. The only thing Luthier did wrong there is to announce it far too soon so give it a rest guys, no one owes anyone anything on that project.

I intend to lock this thread in a few hours and it will stay that way until either Serge or Luthier asks me to unlock it. This is not RWI drama and it is not going to create a shit storm here. Please, get a life and let us sort this out backstage. When it is concluded then this thread will be unlocked for an update and comments.



TB99

 

[Jordan27]

Well said boss.

Nuff said

 

[kilowattore]

Thanks Boss, you're the voice of reason.

 

[Libertatia]

The conclusion is......... Someone with influence over this person luthier, you need to tell him to quit trying to be a business man. He is a liability, and obviously sh*t at trying to be one. ''Don't quit your day job''. Just 'm to m' for him from now on Haha. Tell him to top trying to get involved with sh*t he can't do. Blame the Chinese factories? Maybe he should as a wannabe businessman made better connections with the people he was dealing with. Forked out a few more $2k dinners perhaps. Imagine if the whole world just blamed the Chinese factories lol? Yeah, mama told us all when we were younger ''you can do anything you put your mind to' - luthy, give up mate. The guitar thing f*ck me... Next time luth comes up with some bright idea, he just needs a reminder of his past, and a pat on his head make sure his ego isn't hurt.

I'm glad everything is being sorted.

Peace.

 

[mzcool]

The conclusion is......... Someone with influence over this person luthier, you need to tell him to quit trying to be a business man. He is a liability, and obviously sh*t at trying to be one. ''Don't quit your day job''. Just 'm to m' for him from now on Haha. Tell him to top trying to get involved with sh*t he can't do. Blame the Chinese factories? Maybe he should as a wannabe businessman made better connections with the people he was dealing with. Forked out a few more $2k dinners perhaps. Imagine if the whole world just blamed the Chinese factories lol? Yeah, mama told us all when we were younger ''you can do anything you put your mind to' - luthy, give up mate. The guitar thing f*ck me... Next time luth comes up with some bright idea, he just needs a reminder of his past, and a pat on his head make sure his ego isn't hurt.

I'm glad everything is being sorted.

Peace.

I promised TB I'd stay out of this but, my final statements ^This is completely true. This wouldn't have happen if Luthier didn't represent himself as a big businessman who knows everything about international business. The lesson to be learned here is, don't pretend you are something you are not, eventually it comes back to you.

 

[GBOGH]

I promised TB I'd stay out of this but, my final statements ^This is completely true. This wouldn't have happen if Luthier didn't represent himself as a big businessman who knows everything about international business. The lesson to be learned here is, don't pretend you are something you are not, eventually it comes back to you.

I think the more specific lesson learned is not to deal with someone who pretends to be something they are not, says they can do something they cannot, and has stated openly that they "honestly do not care" after circumstances turn bad and after taking thousands of monies from you with incomplete results. Simples.

 

[trailboss99]

Ok, I think it's all been said at least once. I will unlock this when there is something new to add or when either Luth or Serge (by proxy) request it.