An Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 'Jumbo' Extra-Thin 15202ST Comparison ( ZF VS XF VS GEN )

[RonP]

Was it for sale or for exhibition only?

Exhibition only. There really isn't much hope in getting any Royal Oak, you can register your interest but the demand is so high. I put my name down for a 15500, I doubt it will happen but who knows. They were much nicer than any Rolex AD I've been to, likewise the Vacheron Constantin staff were also great.

 

[suppish]

Yeah it’s a shame
did you go to the AP boutique down the road?

 

[RockerArm]

One thing is for sure ZF's blue dials are light years off from the gen. The sunburst is much more prominent in gen, that immediately gives off that you're wearing a rep.

Im totally agree with you!
this is why I always considered better the XF v1 dial, worser the XF v2 and even worser the ZF dial!

Else I had a conversation with I an old famous watchsmith in my town who says that the “sunburnst aspect in the gen 15202 dial must be noticeable “

Personally I’m happy with my franken 15202 with:
XF v1 dial and case,
XF v2 hands and bezel
ZF bracelet
Of course I have the issue of the different lumen color but it is ok for me.

 

[philwongnz]

Im totally agree with you!
this is why I always considered better the XF v1 dial, worser the XF v2 and even worser the ZF dial!

Else I had a conversation with I an old famous watchsmith in my town who says that the “sunburnst aspect in the gen 15202 dial must be noticeable “

Personally I’m happy with my franken 15202 with:
XF v1 dial and case,
XF v2 hands and bezel
ZF bracelet
Of course I have the issue of the different lumen color but it is ok for me.

Pls share photos

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[RockerArm]

It's a pleasure to show my baby!
I love the 15202 and now I love how good looks my franken!!

 

[RonP]

Im totally agree with you!
this is why I always considered better the XF v1 dial, worser the XF v2 and even worser the ZF dial!

Else I had a conversation with I an old famous watchsmith in my town who says that the “sunburnst aspect in the gen 15202 dial must be noticeable “

Personally I’m happy with my franken 15202 with:
XF v1 dial and case,
XF v2 hands and bezel
ZF bracelet
Of course I have the issue of the different lumen color but it is ok for me.

Yes the ZF dial is completely wrong. I don't know if they have improved things with the newer versions of the 15500 but the first one looks nothing like gen. The JF 15400 dials look way more realistic.

 

[Erinoush]

It's a pleasure to show my baby!
I love the 15202 and now I love how good looks my franken!!

This watch looks nice although the dial reflections are too soft and smooth....
The real deal has a dial which looks more crisp/rough in its reflections, this one is more "patek" style...

 

[Erinoush]

 

[grillbrill]

Yep is the correct

Zf is so off that as you said its like a different reference

According to this video ZF is thicker by 0.35 mm than gen.

 

[RockerArm]

According to this video ZF is thicker by 0.35 mm than gen.

My XF is 8,4 mm

 

[grillbrill]

I guess ZF is thicker because of the decor plate of the movement (?).

 

[alvinado]

Great review bro! Personally I prefer the xf if we are going stock


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[Representative Ryan]

What is the exact difference between thickness of XF and ZF?

Having had the gen for awhile, I honestly feel it really doesnt matter, the biggest tell is still genuinely the Dial for both and the handstack for the ZF. From afar, the ZF dial is more difficult to call out, but up close, they ar are both bad. Out of all the Thin sports pieces, I still feel the factories nail the Nautilus (3KF, PPF) and the Overseas Ultra thin extremely well (XF).

 

[Representative Ryan]

Great review bro! Personally I prefer the xf if we are going stock


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Thank you

 

[grillbrill]

Having had the gen for awhile, I honestly feel it really doesnt matter, the biggest tell is still genuinely the Dial for both and the handstack for the ZF. From afar, the ZF dial is more difficult to call out, but up close, they ar are both bad. Out of all the Thin sports pieces, I still feel the factories nail the Nautilus (3KF, PPF) and the Overseas Ultra thin extremely well (XF).

Have you seen the ZF dial in real life?

 

[Representative Ryan]

Very interesting read.

is there a way to put a "coat" or to apply a layer of colour to give dial a more dynamic sunburst effect?

This would be quite difficult, the best you can do is make it more shiny I assume. But you will have to have a whole new dial made to achieve the sunburst effect, it seems as though ZF essentially placed paint over the dial to achieve the colour.

Its incredibly difficult but I have an idea of how to do it. But it will require many many ZF dials and a LOT of trial and error.

Sunburst dials are usually cut in a sunburst way, and then anodised to give them the colour.

On the 15202, the tapisserie gives the dial the same effect as cutting it like a sunburst dial.

Let's say that ZF started off with a dial that was cut the same way as the gen, and painted it to achieve the colour. What an insane modder could do who has alot of time and money on their hands, is to remove hour markers and AP logo, then the paint using random thinners and paint removers, hoping they can remove the dial paint. Once thats done, they can buy an anodising set up, and basically sacrifice a few dials to figure out how long one needs to be anodised. This can vary alot. Its exactly why AP dials are rejected in manufacturing.

Then the hardest part is placing the markers and logo back, and figuring out a way to have the Audemars Piguet logo printed back on the dial in white.

This is something that honestly ZF could do, cause the tapisserie they have on their dials, mean that they probably have a similar machinery set up to what AP has as shown in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0uW37FnCLM

but it would cost a huge amount of time, and a whole lot of MOOHLAH

 

[Representative Ryan]

Have you seen the ZF dial in real life?

I have the ZF dial, my first one was sent with a glue spill and had to get another.

 

[alvinado]

Im totally agree with you!
this is why I always considered better the XF v1 dial, worser the XF v2 and even worser the ZF dial!

Else I had a conversation with I an old famous watchsmith in my town who says that the “sunburnst aspect in the gen 15202 dial must be noticeable “

Personally I’m happy with my franken 15202 with:
XF v1 dial and case,
XF v2 hands and bezel
ZF bracelet
Of course I have the issue of the different lumen color but it is ok for me.

Urm, you can’t call it a franken unless you have gen parts in there.


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[grillbrill]

I have the ZF dial, my first one was sent with a glue spill and had to get another.

Thanks. On a scale of 0-10 where would you put the blue XF and ZF dials if 10 represented the gen's?

 

[grillbrill]

This would be quite difficult, the best you can do is make it more shiny I assume. But you will have to have a whole new dial made to achieve the sunburst effect, it seems as though ZF essentially placed paint over the dial to achieve the colour.

Its incredibly difficult but I have an idea of how to do it. But it will require many many ZF dials and a LOT of trial and error.

Sunburst dials are usually cut in a sunburst way, and then anodised to give them the colour.

On the 15202, the tapisserie gives the dial the same effect as cutting it like a sunburst dial.

Let's say that ZF started off with a dial that was cut the same way as the gen, and painted it to achieve the colour. What an insane modder could do who has alot of time and money on their hands, is to remove hour markers and AP logo, then the paint using random thinners and paint removers, hoping they can remove the dial paint. Once thats done, they can buy an anodising set up, and basically sacrifice a few dials to figure out how long one needs to be anodised. This can vary alot. Its exactly why AP dials are rejected in manufacturing.

Then the hardest part is placing the markers and logo back, and figuring out a way to have the Audemars Piguet logo printed back on the dial in white.

This is something that honestly ZF could do, cause the tapisserie they have on their dials, mean that they probably have a similar machinery set up to what AP has as shown in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0uW37FnCLM

but it would cost a huge amount of time, and a whole lot of MOOHLAH

Can't legend re-color AP rep dials? If so then dunno if his mod modifies sunburst.