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Advice please on which handgun to buy...

lumpyone

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wow those vids are really cool. amazing how much combustion gas exits the bore before the projectile.

re. kimber problems. what sort of problems were you seeing. from recent production guns or earlier models.
they sure have increased their product line...i hope their qc has not suffered.
i have had 4 kimbers and had no problems out of the box with any of them. however i have not purchased one for about 4 years or so.
 

towcat

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My suggestion is avoid the exotic stuff. Kimbers are great target and race guns, but keep in mind if you are ever involved in a civilian shoot, your gun will be taken away from you by LEO's until the shoot is determined a legal shoot. Even then, it may be destroyed for GP depending on which city the shoot happened in. SF makes it a point to destroy all handguns illegal or legal since it is illegal for anyone to carry in SF. I haven't heard if the law recently passed banning guns in SF has been overturned by the courts or not, but unlike other states, CCW's in kali may or may not be valid from county to county.
 

horologie_unitas

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kimber...when they came on the market were....highest quality out of the box...almost a custom .45
...i still have a kimber custom somewhere...somewhere in the garage with my other .45 toys....smile


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anyways Kimber ....went from unknown to famous in no time.....and when they were on top...they started slacking.....like Colt back then. Common faulty problems....feding problems....not enough firepin pressure....didnt ignite the primer, i also always thought their extreme low tolerances caused jamming problems...slowing the slide down...when getting dirty. i havent been in the business since 3 years...so i am not really up to date..if you need any detailed info....my good friend is a gunsmith-
.but Kimber still has its high ranked name....i always liked them!!
 

cybee

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horologie_unitas said:
cybee...i wonder how you can get a ccp in Cali ? almost impossible....yes, i agree....kimber is a good brand...we had quite some returns of them....with problems.
i also suggest some night vision sights ( great lume !!!!! --lol) - meprolights, or even a laser....preferably a crimson. If you are in the near of San Francisco i can offer you to go to a gunshow with me and my
(step)dad....he owned a gunstore for 52 years, all my friends are into guns....shooting a lot...target...trap, skeet, combat....most of them own many guns....some even have special permits, have trained at ThunderRanch or elsewhere. Everyone is a very nice, honest, peaceloving person with no criminal record ....and no intent of harming anyone. Shooting is fun...when you are responsible and aware.
I was always very fascinated by the mechanics of weapons...

everybody check out: http://www.kurzzeit.com

look at the little high speed clips....very cool !!

...h_u: regrding the ccp, I applied at the county sherriffs office (Kern County) filled out the appropriate application but I still have to pay the $150.00 for the psychological exam, had a background check and all that, and they told me once I buy a firearm to take a safety class and then at that point they will give me an interview...I do know a few people who work for the Sheriff Dept. and told me I should not have a problem but that has yet to be seen. I am a few hours south of S.F. but I come up many times a year. Thanks for the generous offer... :)
 

t185

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When I am expecting trouble...I hook this sucker up to the back of the dodge
:twisted:


 
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d4m.test

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PEOPLE kill people.

That is so very true.....in 1998 .......I witnessed a guy in Times Square..NY........raise his hand....extend his finger and shout....'bang'....'bang'.....'bang'......three people dropped dead immediately......but then another guy sidled up to him....saying....'rumble'..'rumble'......I'm a tank...and you're dead....!
 

BurgerFlaggen

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cybee said:
Well I have been debating on buying a handgun lately now that my kids are somewhat grown-up. I am self employed and work alone travelling around the county...I have actually applied with the Sheriff's department for a concealment permit, paid the $150.00, now I just have to get a gun and take a class and I will be set. I see that there are a lot of military and gun experts here so I though I would tap into your gun expertise and seek some advice...

I would like something that is fairly easy to conceal but with some stopping power...(just in case of course)
I used to own a 357 mag and a little 25 cal. but that was years ago, and now feel its time for another one. As I get older I feel a little less secure not having one and any advice would be greatly appreciated... :)

@ cybee - I haven't read the whole thread because I've glanced at a lot of political talking points and I don't care to engage.
If it has been suggested, please forgive me for going over it again; I'd suggest a .40 or 10mm as both can be quite potent when fed properly, yet more compact than a .45.
A 9mm is tempting for it's capacity, but you should have the ability to hit what you aim at, and not rely on "spray and pray."
 

craytonic

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If it is just home defense there is NOTHING that will stop someone without violence like a shotgun, all the women in my family know how to use one. My grandmother at age 63 once stopped a robber in his tracks and instructed him to call the police with a pump-action 12 gauge. When someone hears the sound of you chambering a round on a pump-action unless they are drugged out of their mind the know they will die very quickly, and that you can't miss. The sound is very unmistakable and sends a very loud message.

But, sounds like you want something to carry around. I would start with a .22 and see how that goes, you can always upgrade to a .45 or 9mm. 357 might be a little big. If you are going to carry it everywhere you might want to focus on 1) weight 2) accuracy 3) size 4) stopping power. You should find a range and try a few out.

I have all of the above and now want a desert eagle (for no practical reason, I just want one). But there really is no legitimate reason I would need it.
 

Hambone

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I have this trio of 16 inchers strapped to the roof of my Maxima and it really helps during rush hour as well as calming down other drivers with a touch of road rage. :lol:

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watchlover

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Hambone said:
I have this trio of 16 inchers strapped to the roof of my Maxima and it really helps during rush hour as well as calming down other drivers with a touch of road rage. :lol:

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Can I know which neighborhood you live in? I want to be your new best friend :lol: :lol:
 

Hambone

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Watchlover, I live in the city where the worst drivers in the country seem to congregate. Las Vegas. I see pile ups every day. You need something to clear the way around here. :lol:
 

craytonic

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Pugwash said:
BillVest said:
AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT WE WANT TO IN THIS SECTION OF THE FORUM.
Now that I can argue against. :D

YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO SAY WHAT YOU LIKE HERE.

The rights of freedom of speech don't cover this sort of thing, much like you can't claim free speech on shouting fire in a crowded theatre. You need to look up what the freedom of speech really means. :D

Obviously there is no freedom of speech here, but it is not by the "shouting fire in a crowded theatre" analogy. Our courts use what are know as the "time, place, and manner" restrictions. Given that your analogy I'm not exactly sure you wouldn't benefit as well from looking "up what the freedom of speech really means" yourself. ":D"

Sorry couldn't resist an opportunity to tell someone they didn't know what they were talking about when they were doing so themself. Hell, someone may do it to me on this one.

BTW love the new avatar pug.
 

pugwash

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t185 said:
Its my right baby :D

"The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired "
Where did you get that quote?

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

This can also be interpreted to mean if you have a gun, you should sign up to the Militia.
 

craytonic

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Pugwash said:
t185 said:
Its my right baby :D

"The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired "
Where did you get that quote?

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

This can also be interpreted to mean if you have a gun, you should sign up to the Militia.

It has _never_ been interpreted that way by the US Supreme Ct. Ever. Maybe in a random dissent, but never as a majority opinion holding. Then there is the difference between what you should do, what you have to do, and what you have a right to do.

The historical context is that a state can "call up" a militia very quickly because everyone has a gun and could fight without the need of being armed by the state. It isn't that you need to have everyone in the militia, but that you need to be able to summon troops for quickly for the militia.

Not to be an ass, but you need to stick to your own country. I don't comment about the one you live in - I don't know enough to do so without being called out.
 

pugwash

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Not to be an ass, but you need to stick to your own country. I don't comment about the one you live in - I don't know enough to do so without being called out.
*sigh*

The US Constitution is so open to interpretation that there are scholars that debate the position of a comma. Parts of it have been ignored as the country moves with the times (in particular the parts about free men as opposed to any others) and I'm not even allowed to show an interest in it because of a circumstance of birth?

"Not to be an ass, but you need to stick to your own country."


Thanks for that. Truly, such a supportive debating position. :shock:
 

crick

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yeah... well that's unfortunately the way it is, no amount of reasoning will change the topic at hand. :roll:

cept... an alien invasion, then we all arm ourselves... i opt for a SuperSoaker 250... cuz the aliens' weakness is water (stupid SiGnS!!!!)

anyone seen my Strayer Voit Infinity? :D it's made of ABS plastic :( western Arms.

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t185

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Where did you get thatquote?

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."[/i]

This can also be interpreted to mean if you have a gun, you should sign up to the Militia.[/quote]


Not a quote see number II below


Just a little FYI, and I am a little disappointed that it has not already been brought up alreay :roll: , if it were not for the fact that my fore fathers had the insight to include this little amendment there is a fairly good chance that us "Yanks" on this board would be trying to figure out how to convert US currency into Deutsche Marks instead of Euros. :D


THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendments 1-10 of the Constitution

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The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added, and as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution;

Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two-thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States; all or any of which articles, when ratified by three-fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the said Constitution, namely:


Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed
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Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
 

pugwash

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t185 said:
Not a quote see number II below
Yes, that's what I was quoting. You, however, stated this: "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired"


t185 said:
Just a little FYI, and I am a little disappointed that it has not already been brought up alreay :roll: , if it were not for the fact that my fore fathers had the insight to include this little amendment there is a fairly good chance that us "Yanks" on this board would be trying to figure up how to convert US currency into Deutsche Marks instead of Euros. :D
Do you know why no-one has brought that up? Because it's possibly the stupidest thing anyone could say on the whole debate. It's unrelated and insulting.

To explain how stupid it is, if it were not for the fact that my forefathers fought for you, you'd be trying to convert your Dutch Gilders into those marks you referenced.

Or we can go on about how your forefathers are also my forefathers, if you want. It's a nonsensical and insulting post, and I hope you don't ever, ever try to use it on European soil.
 

t185

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My comment was with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek, :lol: and by your response it is obvious that you are not open to a little good natured ribbing and it also quite clear that any mention of any US involvement in any of the past wars is still a very sore subject :oops: ....So that being said...I will not respond to your comments...
Good luck with that...