Olga said:
..thanks Olga... I do have a safe. Thats where i keep my watches :lol: and to obtain a permit the safety class is mandatory...
@Klink: the holster is a whole other issue. Shoulder type, leg type, I don't know..Any recommendations?
-
Tired of adverts on RWI? - Subscribe by clicking HERE and PMing Trailboss for instructions and they will magically go away!
Advice please on which handgun to buy...
- Thread starter cybee
- Start date
..thanks Olga... I do have a safe. Thats where i keep my watches :lol: and to obtain a permit the safety class is mandatory...
@Klink: the holster is a whole other issue. Shoulder type, leg type, I don't know..Any recommendations?
I do not doubt that it is your right, I respect that and I know that is part of the US constitution, but why the need to carry a firearm as a civilian?[/quote
Its got nothing to do with "need"...If you don't get that, well... not much I can say...
Its got nothing to do with "need"...If you don't get that, well... not much I can say...
kimber all the way.
i would suggest a kimber stainless 45acp.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/
pros
kimbers are excellent auto pistols. you can't get a better self defence round than the 45acp. untill you get into magnum loads anyway. a minor investment in pistol smithing turned one of my kimbers into the most accurate handgun i have ever seen. period. we are talking one hole 7 round groups at 25 yards standing.
the 1911 design is tried and true. parts are plentiful and most servicing can be done yourself. the thing about a 1911 is that they can be upgraded or changed as you needs evolve. you can turn a inexpensive pistol bought for self defence into a fine target pistol for a small investment. kimber even offers a .22lr conversion kit that turns your combat arm into a very accurate and fun plinking or target pistol. there is even a carbine conversion available.
http://www.mechtechsys.com/index.html
they offer a frame with a picitinny rail in front to mount a light/laser and you can even purchase laser grips for them.
the .45 is an easy shooting round. i often teach slightly built girls with small hands to shoot very well with it. it is not too intimidating of a recoil.
the slow heavy projectile is capable of outstanding accuracy. the .45 is a first choice among many combat target shooters.
i have carried a 1911 for over 20 years now. starting with my military service. i feel it is a fantastic design. redundant safty systems, amazing accuracy. and a true man stopper. i have had occasion to witness a man who had been shot center mass by 4 9mm rounds return fire from the ground and kill his assailant instantly with a single .45acp round center mass.
you can add tritium vial sights for the best "lume" on a handgun
inexpensive ammunition is redaily available.
a 1911 is very customizable. grips,sights,barrels,muzzle brakes. there are probably more accesories available for the 1911 than any other handgun.
a 1911 is an established and accepted design. one thing to consider , if you are ever unfortinate enough to have to use it to take someones life, the 1911, due to its long military service and vast use as a target pistol does not carry the stigma of being a...how do you say...gangsta gun. this can make a very real difference to a jury. especially in california.
it will outlast you and your sons sons. a stainless frame kimber might as well be indestructable.
cons.
low magizine capacity. 7-8 rounds max in full frame. 6 in officers/ conceled carry.
weight. heavier than plastic framed pistiols. though this can increase accuracy so not always a con.
cost. a kimber is a high end pistol. will cost a bit more than a off the shelf 1911 clone.
no armor penetration to speak of.
hope this is of some help.
p.s a stainless handgun will match your watch. a parkerized one will match your pvd watch
i would suggest a kimber stainless 45acp.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/
pros
kimbers are excellent auto pistols. you can't get a better self defence round than the 45acp. untill you get into magnum loads anyway. a minor investment in pistol smithing turned one of my kimbers into the most accurate handgun i have ever seen. period. we are talking one hole 7 round groups at 25 yards standing.
the 1911 design is tried and true. parts are plentiful and most servicing can be done yourself. the thing about a 1911 is that they can be upgraded or changed as you needs evolve. you can turn a inexpensive pistol bought for self defence into a fine target pistol for a small investment. kimber even offers a .22lr conversion kit that turns your combat arm into a very accurate and fun plinking or target pistol. there is even a carbine conversion available.
http://www.mechtechsys.com/index.html
they offer a frame with a picitinny rail in front to mount a light/laser and you can even purchase laser grips for them.
the .45 is an easy shooting round. i often teach slightly built girls with small hands to shoot very well with it. it is not too intimidating of a recoil.
the slow heavy projectile is capable of outstanding accuracy. the .45 is a first choice among many combat target shooters.
i have carried a 1911 for over 20 years now. starting with my military service. i feel it is a fantastic design. redundant safty systems, amazing accuracy. and a true man stopper. i have had occasion to witness a man who had been shot center mass by 4 9mm rounds return fire from the ground and kill his assailant instantly with a single .45acp round center mass.
you can add tritium vial sights for the best "lume" on a handgun
inexpensive ammunition is redaily available.
a 1911 is very customizable. grips,sights,barrels,muzzle brakes. there are probably more accesories available for the 1911 than any other handgun.
a 1911 is an established and accepted design. one thing to consider , if you are ever unfortinate enough to have to use it to take someones life, the 1911, due to its long military service and vast use as a target pistol does not carry the stigma of being a...how do you say...gangsta gun. this can make a very real difference to a jury. especially in california.
it will outlast you and your sons sons. a stainless frame kimber might as well be indestructable.
cons.
low magizine capacity. 7-8 rounds max in full frame. 6 in officers/ conceled carry.
weight. heavier than plastic framed pistiols. though this can increase accuracy so not always a con.
cost. a kimber is a high end pistol. will cost a bit more than a off the shelf 1911 clone.
no armor penetration to speak of.
hope this is of some help.
p.s a stainless handgun will match your watch. a parkerized one will match your pvd watch
my .02...
If you are willing to go out and practice on a regular basis, a auto in .40s&w would be a good choice. Mfgs like Kahr would make a great pocket gun at a fairly reasonable price. If you are into what everyone else is carrying, Glock would be my suggestion. There's plenty of accessories for it.
If you aren't willing to got out and practice frequently, then a revolver would be my suggestion. Either Charter arms or S&W makes a reliable .357 . Both can be easily checked for readiness and there is little guesswork on how to use.
Couple more things to consider...
one. most civilians won't ever go through a extended firefight using more than what's in the magazine or cylinder. In fact, 5-6 shots is the usual max count when its a person to person confrontation under 15 yards. This is 95% of most civilian shoots. The high-cap shooters are very rare for random civilians. You have to be a high profile target or a innocent bystander of a drive-by. Either way, you will learn in your CCW class, shooting back at a ill-defined target or with multiple "backstops" is a really bad idea. Bottom line...six rounds or ten(max cap for civies) does not make much of a difference in a real world shoot situation.
two. you will easily outspend your choice of weapon on the various holsters, carrying devices and gadgets if you are serious on concealed carry. My wife will always bring this fact up when she wants a new handbag or purse if I ever put up any resistance to the purchase. This also brings up my last point. Buy a weapon that is commonly sold. Holsters will be less expensive by far. Choose something rare will result in holster prices tripling or worse yet, you will have to get to know a good leathersmith. I'm old school, I'm not into the ballistic nylon or the Kydex stuff. Leather is still my #1 choice for concealment and comfort for extended wear.
hope all this helps.
If you are willing to go out and practice on a regular basis, a auto in .40s&w would be a good choice. Mfgs like Kahr would make a great pocket gun at a fairly reasonable price. If you are into what everyone else is carrying, Glock would be my suggestion. There's plenty of accessories for it.
If you aren't willing to got out and practice frequently, then a revolver would be my suggestion. Either Charter arms or S&W makes a reliable .357 . Both can be easily checked for readiness and there is little guesswork on how to use.
Couple more things to consider...
one. most civilians won't ever go through a extended firefight using more than what's in the magazine or cylinder. In fact, 5-6 shots is the usual max count when its a person to person confrontation under 15 yards. This is 95% of most civilian shoots. The high-cap shooters are very rare for random civilians. You have to be a high profile target or a innocent bystander of a drive-by. Either way, you will learn in your CCW class, shooting back at a ill-defined target or with multiple "backstops" is a really bad idea. Bottom line...six rounds or ten(max cap for civies) does not make much of a difference in a real world shoot situation.
two. you will easily outspend your choice of weapon on the various holsters, carrying devices and gadgets if you are serious on concealed carry. My wife will always bring this fact up when she wants a new handbag or purse if I ever put up any resistance to the purchase. This also brings up my last point. Buy a weapon that is commonly sold. Holsters will be less expensive by far. Choose something rare will result in holster prices tripling or worse yet, you will have to get to know a good leathersmith. I'm old school, I'm not into the ballistic nylon or the Kydex stuff. Leather is still my #1 choice for concealment and comfort for extended wear.
hope all this helps.
I just edited my last post. In hindsight, I do not want to talk about guns anymore, for personal reasons.
N.
N.
I have a couple of old favorites, both are extremely reliable and have been around for a hundred years...used in several wars. There is not cheap plastic in these guys.
The Colt 1903 is an easy conceal and packs enough power to stop most attacks
If you would like a little more power to stop the bad guy...Go with the Colt 1911. Probably the most carried gun in the states
I know that there is lots of different attitudes and opinions around owning and carrying weapons. Think about this for a minute. I'm not wanting to convince anyone but:
I am Rod's gun. I'm almost as much a part of his 'apparel' as shoes or socks. In fact, Rod goes without his socks more often than he goes without me.
Rod keeps me hidden away whenever he can. Most people outside of a few of Rod's most trusted even know I exist.
I can't think for myself, I can't reason and I can't act on my own. I'm just a simple machine with few moving parts, about as complicated as a stapler. I have no brain, no muscles and am neither good nor evil.
Now I am a dangerous machine, I'll have to give you that. Just like Rod's lawnmower, chainsaw, hedge clipper and automobile I can be very dangerous in untrained or irresponsible hands.
Fortunately Rod, just like the rest of the law-abiding citizens who take their duty of self-defense very seriously is just as committed to his responsibilities as a gun owner. He takes me to the shooting range to practice on a regular basis -- a lot more often, in fact, than many policemen. Rod would never allow me to fall into the hands of a child or other irresponsible person and would never use me unless there was no possibility of ready escape or retreat.
Rod thinks of me like his insurance policy. He hopes and prays that he will never have to use me, but knows that if he has to, I could save him or his loved ones from death or injury at the hands of evil people who don't care about, much less obey laws. It happens almost two million times a year. (A handgun is used defensively, most often with no shots fired.)
I don't know why some people hate me and want to try doing away with me. They should do away with the subhuman criminals who misuse guns, automobiles, chain saws, ice-picks, baseball-bats, pocket knives, hammers, machetes and authority no matter how many silly laws they pass -- and leave law-abiding people like Rod alone.
At the very least Rod does no harm, and, as demonstrated in the 37 or so states where the citizens are 'permitted their right' to carry firearms the crime rates have dropped and are still dropping far faster than the national average -- much faster than those places where firearms are essentially banned.
It's obvious that when I'm owned and carried by law-abiding citizens like Rod I do far more good than harm.
It's sad that many laws keep honest people like Rod from defending themselves while no law or regulation has ever, or can ever keep me out of the hands of criminals.
I'm glad people like Rod carry my brothers and me -- you should be too.
The Colt 1903 is an easy conceal and packs enough power to stop most attacks
If you would like a little more power to stop the bad guy...Go with the Colt 1911. Probably the most carried gun in the states
I know that there is lots of different attitudes and opinions around owning and carrying weapons. Think about this for a minute. I'm not wanting to convince anyone but:
I am Rod's gun. I'm almost as much a part of his 'apparel' as shoes or socks. In fact, Rod goes without his socks more often than he goes without me.
Rod keeps me hidden away whenever he can. Most people outside of a few of Rod's most trusted even know I exist.
I can't think for myself, I can't reason and I can't act on my own. I'm just a simple machine with few moving parts, about as complicated as a stapler. I have no brain, no muscles and am neither good nor evil.
Now I am a dangerous machine, I'll have to give you that. Just like Rod's lawnmower, chainsaw, hedge clipper and automobile I can be very dangerous in untrained or irresponsible hands.
Fortunately Rod, just like the rest of the law-abiding citizens who take their duty of self-defense very seriously is just as committed to his responsibilities as a gun owner. He takes me to the shooting range to practice on a regular basis -- a lot more often, in fact, than many policemen. Rod would never allow me to fall into the hands of a child or other irresponsible person and would never use me unless there was no possibility of ready escape or retreat.
Rod thinks of me like his insurance policy. He hopes and prays that he will never have to use me, but knows that if he has to, I could save him or his loved ones from death or injury at the hands of evil people who don't care about, much less obey laws. It happens almost two million times a year. (A handgun is used defensively, most often with no shots fired.)
I don't know why some people hate me and want to try doing away with me. They should do away with the subhuman criminals who misuse guns, automobiles, chain saws, ice-picks, baseball-bats, pocket knives, hammers, machetes and authority no matter how many silly laws they pass -- and leave law-abiding people like Rod alone.
At the very least Rod does no harm, and, as demonstrated in the 37 or so states where the citizens are 'permitted their right' to carry firearms the crime rates have dropped and are still dropping far faster than the national average -- much faster than those places where firearms are essentially banned.
It's obvious that when I'm owned and carried by law-abiding citizens like Rod I do far more good than harm.
It's sad that many laws keep honest people like Rod from defending themselves while no law or regulation has ever, or can ever keep me out of the hands of criminals.
I'm glad people like Rod carry my brothers and me -- you should be too.
cybee...i wonder how you can get a ccp in Cali ? almost impossible....yes, i agree....kimber is a good brand...we had quite some returns of them....with problems.
i also suggest some night vision sights ( great lume !!!!! --lol) - meprolights, or even a laser....preferably a crimson. If you are in the near of San Francisco i can offer you to go to a gunshow with me and my
(step)dad....he owned a gunstore for 52 years, all my friends are into guns....shooting a lot...target...trap, skeet, combat....most of them own many guns....some even have special permits, have trained at ThunderRanch or elsewhere. Everyone is a very nice, honest, peaceloving person with no criminal record ....and no intent of harming anyone. Shooting is fun...when you are responsible and aware.
I was always very fascinated by the mechanics of weapons...
everybody check out: http://www.kurzzeit.com
look at the little high speed clips....very cool !!
i also suggest some night vision sights ( great lume !!!!! --lol) - meprolights, or even a laser....preferably a crimson. If you are in the near of San Francisco i can offer you to go to a gunshow with me and my
(step)dad....he owned a gunstore for 52 years, all my friends are into guns....shooting a lot...target...trap, skeet, combat....most of them own many guns....some even have special permits, have trained at ThunderRanch or elsewhere. Everyone is a very nice, honest, peaceloving person with no criminal record ....and no intent of harming anyone. Shooting is fun...when you are responsible and aware.
I was always very fascinated by the mechanics of weapons...
everybody check out: http://www.kurzzeit.com
look at the little high speed clips....very cool !!