126610 from Clean factory

[Kielxx]

If we could give a score 1-10 on the crystal and especially cyclops, where is the CLEAN cyclop at compare to the VSF? Are they at least clear without that cloudy distortion. Thanks!

vsf crystal it's better , cf it's acceptable and cyclops have no distortion

 

[For125]

And …is it possible to really see the difference?

 

[StreetFighter]

Yes it’s noticeable. Once you know these things you can’t not see them.. such is the rep game, ignorance is bliss. I’ll take a pic to show in a sec…

 

[StreetFighter]

Distortion on VSF, no distortion on genuine BLRO..


Now you know how to spot a fake watch by a distorted cyclops.

 

[McPwn]

Yes it looks that way.

I declare that Clean cases are not gen spec. None of them, none of the Subs or GMT not the 11's or 12 series', 40 or 41mm. Wrong lugs, wrong crown guards, wrong side profile with no taper, a one case fits all approach to the Sub and GMT neither of them correct. Sub lugs on GMT's, GMT crown guards on Subs, then there's the bezels that do not fit, inserts stuck on with adhesive tape etc. Yeah, I'll have a CF please.:sad:

Does anyone else make gen spec cases currently, such as JVSF?

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[StreetFighter]

Does anyone else make gen spec cases currently, such as JVSF?

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Not 100% sure. Did RF not looks promising? ..but it dropped the ball elsewhere iirc.

I think VSF are trickling back, you can buy them again.. TD's know everyone is shouting for them, they'll be passing the message around the market is hot if someone can get a proper Sub together, only a matter of time before there is another contender imo.

 

[Kielxx]

vsf vs clean for me it's not bad watch ,bracelet and clasp much better then vsf

 

[dogwood]

Now you know how to spot a fake watch by a distorted cyclops.

You're right, it cannot be unseen.

 

[Noob42069]

Distortion on VSF, no distortion on genuine BLRO..


Now you know how to spot a fake watch by a distorted cyclops.

Good info for a noob like me. Trying to read as much as I can.

I should revisit prof Crystal threads but do profs also have a distorted cyclops?

also, if CF crystals are sub par I should just swap it out for a prof Crystal, wouldn’t that fix 99% of it aside from a distorted cyclops like the VSF?

 

[Tete]

vsf vs clean for me it's not bad watch ,bracelet and clasp much better then vsf

In CF the sel fit, polish and the more curved shape of the lugs is much better than vsf. The only good thing about Vsf is the crystal and movement (if you are lucky)

 

[the massakretor]

In CF the sel fit, polish and the more curved shape of the lugs is much better than vsf. The only good thing about Vsf is the crystal and movement (if you are lucky)

I have a CF and had a VSF

The SEL on CF is convincingly better. There is almost no contest, they're sharper, fit better the case, curve better, and the overall bracelet and clasp feel heavier and clicks sturdier, and is less scratch-prone than VSF. The glidelock on CF isn't particularly smooth, but I guess it can vary a lot between watches. VSF was smoother in my experience.

So yes, VSF had a convincingly better crystal, and movement.

Clean has a convincingly better SEL and bracelet.

Clean case isn't that different in my opinion. Both in pictures and side by side, it's hard to notice any difference with the gen and VSF. It's debatable obviously, but I don't think there is a decisive difference. It's very balanced on the wrist and in the hand as a whole, and it has no uneven CG or lugs.

Movement in my CF is very nice though, better than my ZF VR3135 Hulk, at least regarding feeling when winding and rotor spinning. Is smooth and solid.

 

[StreetFighter]

In CF the sel fit, polish and the more curved shape of the lugs is much better than vsf. The only good thing about Vsf is the crystal and movement (if you are lucky)

We have a side by side review of VSF126 and gen Subs and they look the same to me and everyone else too. This is not the first time you have mentioned this and the way light reflects off the lugs as well so there must be something to it.
Like above where I showed with the aid of some pictures how to spot a distorted cyclops, can you explain the lugs shape and light reflection issues that you have identified to help me (and others) understand?

'The only good thing about Vsf is the crystal and movement' - You think think the CF case is better? but the crown guards and side profile is wrong and the lugs are too fat. On VSF the CG's and tapered profile is really good imo and the lugs look 1:1 as well.

In my opinion the only area where a CF126610 trumps a VSF126610 is the CF has a better defined middle part of the solid end links (and the non distorted cyclops).
In my opinion, comparing CF and VSF is like comparing Ford and BMW.

Please advise..

 

[Tete]

We have a side by side review of VSF126 and gen Subs and they look the same to me and everyone else too. This is not the first time you have mentioned this and the way light reflects off the lugs as well so there must be something to it.
Like above where I showed with the aid of some pictures how to spot a distorted cyclops, can you explain the lugs shape and light reflection issues that you have identified to help me (and others) understand?

'The only good thing about Vsf is the crystal and movement' - You think think the CF case is better? but the crown guards and side profile is wrong and the lugs are too fat. On VSF the CG's and tapered profile is really good imo and the lugs look 1:1 as well.

In my opinion the only area where a CF126610 trumps a VSF126610 is the CF has a better defined middle part of the solid end links (and the non distorted cyclops).
In my opinion, comparing CF and VSF is like comparing Ford and BMW.

Please advise..

Neither VSF nor CF have a gen-like case, but if I have to choose, I definitely choose CF. I have VSF 116610ln, nice watch, but sorry I never liked VSF sub 41. Unfortunately I don't have these three watches to compare but I don't think it takes to see the differences and errors of each one.

 

[StreetFighter]

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[StreetFighter]

I take back everything..
Pictures and angles I reckon. I can make the VSF look more like the gen (I refer to the CG's)..

Genuine 126610 pic I just ripped from Chrono24..

My VSF126610..

I still reckon VSF has the better 126610 case (if that's the discussion we are having).

 

[Tete]

I take back everything..
Pictures and angles I reckon. I can make the VSF look more like the gen (I refer to the CG's)..

I still reckon VSF has the better 126610 case (if that's the discussion we are having).

I'm sorry but I can't agree, it looks nothing alike and I've had gen and vsf sub 41 in hand. On Instagram there are several guys passing their vsf as gen and it can be seen in a second. Neither the brushing nor the shape of the case, much less the fit and finish of the SELs are worth it to me. His movement the best clone, the crystal has nothing to do with gene but for now the best mounted on a rep. Photos of fake Rolex (VSF) on Instagram, I have deleted the account name:

 

[ForecastMax]

Looks to me that:

-CF has better lug slope from case to bracelet
-VSF has better lug peak (more boxy like gen)
-VSF has identical CG’s to gen

 

[ForecastMax]

VSF Gen

Different lighting so sel is more apparent on right, but this looks pretty spot on to me.

Would love to see a side by side like this with CF

 

[Tete]

VSF Gen

Different lighting so sel is more apparent on right, but this looks pretty spot on to me.

Would love to see a side by side like this with CF

Do those two watches really look similar to you?

 

[Tete]