126610 from Clean factory

[deadaglev]

I see. Thanks for clarifying that.
Thats a real shame. although the CF Case has incorrect CGs, the rest is very very good.
Lug shape, brushing, SEL fit and rehaut is just better than VSF.
Could you share pictures?
Is there any way to solve this? Profs Crystal or Gen?
Which option did you stay with at the end?

 

[mnkoshka]

I see. Thanks for clarifying that.
Thats a real shame. although the CF Case has incorrect CGs, the rest is very very good.
Lug shape, brushing, SEL fit and rehaut is just better than VSF.
Could you share pictures?
Is there any way to solve this? Profs Crystal or Gen?
Which option did you stay with at the end?

I found the CG’s to be okay comparing to gen, the VSF I have has too much of an internal radius on the crown guards a feature that is more attributed to the 116610.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[deadaglev]

I can’t comment too much anyway since i don’t have the gen at hand for comparison.
Yes, the curve is wrong, but then, as far as i can tell the whole CG has not enough meat on it. That’s more noticeable in my opinion.
Anyway if there is no way to incorporate the VSF crystal or a crystal of equal quality i will sadly have to stick to the VSF case since this is for me way more important than lug shape or even SELs.
Has anyone tried a gen crystal or another solution on the CF case?

 

[Joker68]

In a few days I can show you the gen Crystal in a CF 126610. My TD sourced the gen Crystal and build the watch. Maybe that’s a good option.


Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk Pro

 

[mnkoshka]

In a few days I can show you the gen Crystal in a CF 126610. My TD sourced the gen Crystal and build the watch. Maybe that’s a good option.


Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk Pro

Would love to see some pics of the result.. this will definitely determine wether or not the vsf crystal gen spec. I will add photos of the CF with VSF crystal to compare


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[ForecastMax]

Has anyone tried a gen crystal or another solution on the CF case?

VS crystal is a nice cheap option for CF case. It’s been done with good results

 

[deadaglev]

I would really love to see the result of both, gen and VSF crystal in the CF case too.
Especially how high or low they both sit and what happens to the visibility of the hytrel ring.

 

[deadaglev]

Not hytrel ring obviously. I meant the crystal gasket.

 

[mnkoshka]

Not hytrel ring obviously. I meant the crystal gasket.

The crystal gasket isn’t visible with the VSF crystal, the bevel of the VSF crystal is closer to the gen and creates a similar effect. It’s the incorrect multiple bevel angles on the CF crystal that reflect a “white ring” effect from certain angles. I will add pics tonight of the CF with VSF crystal. It sits slightly too high and closes the gap between the crystal and the insert. The gen has a gap line between the insert and the bevel of the glass. The vsf crystals bevel sits above the insert and the gap is non existent.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[deadaglev]

Let’s see the pictures to determine how much that gap disappears.
And then the big question is what part is incorrect.
The CF rehaut height or the VSF crystal height.
Or the VSF crystal gasket?
Anyone who put a gen crystal either in the CF or the VSF case should be able to answer that question.
If the VSF crystal is too high, in theory the VSF rehaut should be too low, resulting in a gen crystal sitting to low in a VSF case.

 

[mnkoshka]

Here’s a few pics of the CF ( LV ) and some of the gen to compare.
the VSF is the ( LN )
both crystal gaskets measure the same. I machined the VSF gasket down to lower it so the crystal is sitting flush against the rehault. It looks close to gen hight but is about 0.14 too high and is actually quite noticeable on certain angles. For others this wouldn’t matter.. I’m sharing the differences here for people that are thinking of using the VSF crystal on the CF.
the VSF case has the standard CF crystal and gasket and sits too low. Hopefully someone with gen crystal can compare results.
there is a step in the out diameter of rehault where it meets the case, this may be where the difference is or the crystals are different thicknesses, I regret not writing down the measurements as I’ve forgotten what they were lol. Maybe I’ll have to machine the step down to achieve the right hight…. this is where the gaskets sits against the case. the bezels measured the same. Gen pics are obvious and marked with a G

 

[deadaglev]

you are correct. It sits to high from what i can tell. hm. Not much though. Is it bothering you in real life? Do you see a chance to machine down the rehaut without it being visibly lower on the inside of the case? where the ROLEX ROLEX... engravings are.
And you also swapped bezels there right? The VSF Bezel is just better. How does the bezel turn? I much prefer the click on my RF tbh. VSFs click is too soft and there is too much resistance from the hytrel ring. CF has no resistance at all but also the weakest click. RF is just perfect, but the VSF Bezel is viyually the closest to gen.

 

[deadaglev]

i just compared it to my normal VSF and have to say it almost looks exactly the same? what do you say? Are you sure there is a difference to the normal VSF?
Sadly some things can only really be seen in real life.

 

[deadaglev]

 

[deadaglev]

 

[mnkoshka]

i just compared it to my normal VSF and have to say it almost looks exactly the same? what do you say? Are you sure there is a difference to the normal VSF?
Sadly some things can only really be seen in real life.

Yeah it does look pretty much the same as yours tbh. I thinking it’s the crystal itself that maybe on the thicker side. I’m hoping to see a gen crystal installed on the CF to confirm this. Yeah Can’t really machine down the rehaut as it will leave the engravings with uneven spacing top to bottom and present other issues like crystal touching the seconds hand pinion cap.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[deadaglev]

i do think they sit very very similar in hight.
What i noticed as well though is that the normal CF Crystal sits a little lower than the normal VSF crystal in their factory cases.
That is a more noticeable difference.
Wich one is more gen like in hight i don't know.
But to be honest, the clarity, form and the correct gasket looks of the VSF trump everything else massively.
Now to really be anal, would it be possible to swap the cyclops on those crystals? CF is better in my opinion.
And do you think shaving down the VSF gasket will affect waterproofness?

 

[deadaglev]

 

[deadaglev]

i just had another thought.
How did you came by the 0.14mm difference in hight?
Did you measure the overall hight of the case including crystal?
Because the CF Caseback sits a little to high compared to gen and VSF. maybe thats where this is coming from?

 

[deadaglev]