116610LN - down to VSF and ZZF v3. Ultimate winner?

[Yogibear]

If I would be basing it on other people's opinions I'd have a DHGate level SEL rep like you cause I'd be following your advice. I'm basing it off of pictures. Even your latest picture in fact. Are you intentionally arguing in bad faith? Another sign of emotional immaturity.

I have an RXF, which I would take over that ZF any day. The brightness on the bezel is an issue. Which is why I am upgrading.

Come on, to say the ZF is dhgate level on anything and then go on to say, you would take a clanky bracelet, worst ever rehaut RXF over the ZF?? Like it's so far from the truth I cant tell if you are trolling or being serious lol.

 

[Duckber]

Come on, to say the ZF is dhgate level on anything and then go on to say, you would take a clanky bracelet, worst ever rehaut RXF over the ZF?? Like it's so far from the truth I cant tell if you are trolling or being serious lol.

Absolutely?

I don't mind the bracelet, it's sufficient to my needs. The rehaut on the RXF is not remotely noticeable to me, especially relatively compared to the awful SEL on the ZF which is way way more apparent and in your face. It's no contest.

 

[PAMorROLEX]

No youre not getting called out with any top tier rep. None of them are like dh gate shitters like this plonker thinks he knows from photos

Thanks for the assurance, that clears a lot for me

 

[muiramas]

904l is a better steel than 316l. 904l has much higher corrosive resistance. It's not a marketing gimmick when your brand is known as a luxury divers watch.

As no serious deep-sea diver would use a Rolex to do it in, it kind of is a marketing gimmick.

(I know a few guys who do it for a living - rigs, off-shore turbines, salvage...)

But I digress...

 

[Yogibear]

Except the vast vast vast majority of people buying a 10k watch isn't going diving into deep depths. Only desk diving. This is a luxury item, for fashion and for status. 904L is absolutely useless to the vast majority of people and only useful to the rare strange breeeds that are diving with a 10k luxury watch and not some high end machine instead.

904L is less resistant to scratches and inferior to 316L in this regard. 904L is absolutely a marketing gimmick. Even moreso to their other products in their lineup that aren't even for diving and use 904L, such as the Yacht-Master, DateJust, Oyster Perpetual, Daytona.... can't use the diving reason there. It's just a scheme to differentiate their product. Even if that differentiation is inferior. But knobs like Bigpoppad eat it up so... it's working!

No for you its fashion and status item because the the first time you heard of rolex was through a rap song..

The brand since the 1950s has been a divers watch. It was the first watch to be waterproof 100m. The big crown aka bond sub is still one of the most sought out vintage rolex and that made history at 200m. The submariner has been a trusted divers watch for a long time and the brand still holds till today.

BTW 904l is a much harder steel thus more scratch resistant not less :facepalm:

 

[Duckber]

No for you its fashion and status item because the the first time you heard of rolex was through a rap song..

The brand since the 1950s has been a divers watch. It was the first watch to be waterproof 100m. The big crown aka bond sub is still one of the most sought out vintage rolex and that made history at 200m. The submariner has been a trusted divers watch for a long time and the brand still holds till today.

BTW 904l is a much harder steel thus more scratch resistant not less :facepalm:

No. Not for me, but the majority of people buying Rolex. When I say Rolex is a fashion statement and status symbol I am not talking through my own perspective but from the average consumer. If you think the majority of people buying Rolex watches are buying the Submariner for its dive watch characteristics as opposed to what I mentioned you are are, quite factually wrong.

http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1022

http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=2382

The Rockwell number of the 904L lower than 316L so it cannot be more scratch resistant. Using the facepalm emoji when you are so proudly wrong is very ironic btw.

 

[PAMorROLEX]

Except the vast vast vast majority of people buying a 10k watch isn't going diving into deep depths. Only desk diving. This is a luxury item, for fashion and for status. 904L is absolutely useless to the vast majority of people and only useful to the rare strange breeds that are diving with a 10k luxury watch and not some high end machine instead.

904L is less resistant to scratches and inferior to 316L in this regard. I would take 316L any day for day to day needs to have more scratch prevention which is infinitely more useful than something I'd never do which is dive deep with a luxury watch. And I'm sure the vast majority would say the same. 904L is absolutely a marketing gimmick. Even more so to their other products in their lineup that aren't even for diving and use 904L, such as the Yacht-Master, Date-just, Oyster Perpetual, Daytona.... can't use the diving reason there. It's just a scheme to differentiate their product. Even if that differentiation is inferior. But knobs like Bigpoppad eat it up so... it's working!

I am not getting into the arguments of 316L vs 904L and not to offend anyone here. I do lots of technical dives and do hold a PhD in Material Science. This is my perspective:

Diver: As a diver either for recreational purpose or technical dives for marine research or fun Rolex or any sort of dive watch is absolutely useless as it doesn't say anything about the depth I am currently in and doesn't count my Time, No stop time remaining, Ascent rate, Emergency decompression, Previous dive information, Multiple gas computers, CCR (Closed-Circuit Rebreather), Interface with your laptop/regular computer so you can download your dive data, electronic compass or built-in thermometer. These are useful and life saving features for a diver and steel is of no use. I would rather prefer MARES, SUUNTO or CRESSI for sure.

As a Material Scientist, 316l vs 904l, I do not see much difference in terms of the contact with the salt water. A typical dive lasts about 30-50 Minutes only, any good quality steel doesn't corrode easily for such a short period of time. It is suggested to rinse every accessory with fresh water after it has been exposed to sea water.

I do love wearing my Omega(Gen) while snorkeling, haven't really found it useful while diving for sure.

 

[Duckber]

I am not getting into the arguments of 316L vs 904L and not to offend anyone here. I do lots of technical dives and do hold a PhD in Material Science. This is my perspective:

Diver: As a diver either for recreational purpose or technical dives for marine research or fun Rolex or any sort of dive watch is absolutely useless as it doesn't say anything about the depth I am currently in and doesn't count my Time, No stop time remaining, Ascent rate, Emergency decompression, Previous dive information, Multiple gas computers, CCR (Closed-Circuit Rebreather), Interface with your laptop/regular computer so you can download your dive data, electronic compass or built-in thermometer. These are useful and life saving features for a diver and steel is of no use. I would rather prefer MARES, SUUNTO or CRESSI for sure.

As a Material Scientist, 316l vs 904l, I do not see much difference in terms of the contact with the salt water. A typical dive lasts about 30-50 Minutes only, any good quality steel doesn't corrode easily for such a short period of time. It is suggested to rinse every accessory with fresh water after it has been exposed to sea water.

I do love wearing my Omega(Gen) while snorkeling, haven't really found it useful while diving for sure.

It's almost as if buying a 10k luxury watch for diving is absolutely fucking stupid, who would have thought?

Great post!

 

[Duckber]

I must admit it's comical we're 4 pages in and only two or three posts were between ZZF and VSF. Hahaha.

I'll buy both and C&R the one I'm less fond with.

 

[Yogibear]

As no serious deep-sea diver would use a Rolex to do it in, it kind of is a marketing gimmick.

(I know a few guys who do it for a living - rigs, off-shore turbines, salvage...)

But I digress...

My cousin supplies wreck divers all over Europe and little in NA with equipment and the divers are Rolex majority of the time. Mind you they get paid 3 to 7k euros a dive especially in those rough UK seas.

 

[Duckber]

My cousin supplies wreck divers all over Europe and little in NA with equipment and the divers are Rolex majority of the time. Mind you they get paid 3 to 7k euros a dive especially in those rough UK seas.

My uncle works for Rolecks and he says you're lying

Come on, guy. As PAMorROLEX states in this day and age not using an actual technological instrument but with an automatic watch instead to go diving with is damn near ridiculous at this point.

 

[mnkoshka]

Not sure why people still worry about the 904L to 316L factor anyway. The rep 904L isn’t Rolex 904L it’s rubbish and the difference means nothing unless you are going to wear this rep for the next twenty years.... highly unlikely as you’ll update the case whenever the next best thing comes out. Chlorides in Human sweat does more damage to both 316L and 904L than sea water alone due to a few other factors. Plenty of info on here regarding the legitimacy of rep 904L steel. Plus 904L has higher ductile strength ( absorption of impact before fracture) the difference between ‘toughness’ and ‘hardness. This means 904L is not as hard so in turn scratches easier than 316L and it dents easier, yes it’s a bit more corrosion resistant. Rolex started using it for legitimate reasons hence why it was first only available for the seadweller which was more professionally used at the time. due to a large number of watches included non dive watches being pitted around the caseback, it was rolled out as standard and now it has become a marketing point because it has made a small difference in the service lifetime of their cases. These factors really only matter when you’ve paid over 10k for a watch and need it to last, a rep won’t be worth anything in the future anyway so I think this factor holds no real weight in differences between reps.

 

[muiramas]

My cousin supplies wreck divers all over Europe and little in NA with equipment and the divers are Rolex majority of the time.

LOL.

Edit - not saying they don't have a Rolex - but to use it on a dive in a professional capacity? No. Just no.

 

[Substar]

Absolutely?

I don't mind the bracelet, it's sufficient to my needs. The rehaut on the RXF is not remotely noticeable to me, especially relatively compared to the awful SEL on the ZF which is way way more apparent and in your face. It's no contest.

You cannot beat gen sels!

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[StreetFighter]

I have been reading about ZZF vs VSF vs NOOB vs RXF vs ARF sub for quite sometime and I am unable to comprehend anything so far.. May be I am too dumb or a complete NOOB?
Nevertheless, I have ordered VSF+NOOB 11+ZZF all together from a TD. Would post the pictures comparing all three of them here and I shall retain the one which I think is better for me and dispose the rest.

My question is would anyone be able to call me out for a fake when the watch is on my wrist? I usually do meet a lot of people at business, none of them do really care about asking about the watch. I am new to this replica world, would like to know your experience in this.

I would comfortably wear a VSF Sub LN into a watch dealer.. and i'd put it on the green suede mat thing while I try on something real. I would be confident that is the sales assistant picked it up he would not have any idea it was a rep unless he was a member of this forum and is a superrep savant. Even then he would be guessing. It looks and feels real.

 

[Roguetheory]

VSF has nailed crown guards and case, clasp and bracelet with a gen like date wheel and crystall. ZZF has not. My VSF made my zzfv2 look like a rep.

Yet in your very own photo comparison, others and yourself pointed out and agreed that the crown guards on the VSF had a different angle and thickness. Hence different to
gen, so which one is it? Nailed or different?

 

[Roguetheory]

ZF is the most pricey by far, but those flush lugs look DHGate level and for $518 which is $90 more than the next two it does not look worth it.

The only thing which is “flush” is your confirmation bias with your opinion based on conjecture.

 

[Duckber]

The only thing which is “flush” is your confirmation bias with your opinion based on conjecture.

Dude... Even those who prefer it over ZZF and VSF state that the end links are not so recessed. It may not be a big deal to them but it is to me. And even without those saying so, I've seen the end links in photos from many angles... I have enough reason to form the opinion that I do.

 

[Yogibear]

No. Not for me, but the majority of people buying Rolex. When I say Rolex is a fashion statement and status symbol I am not talking through my own perspective but from the average consumer. If you think the majority of people buying Rolex watches are buying the Submariner for its dive watch characteristics as opposed to what I mentioned you are are, quite factually wrong.

http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=1022

http://www.azom.com/details.asp?ArticleID=2382

The Rockwell number of the 904L lower than 316L so it cannot be more scratch resistant. Using the facepalm emoji when you are so proudly wrong is very ironic btw.

Smh, those are for flat plates of steel. The machining process for 904l is different which is why every hardness scale for 904l has a difference on it because of the changing properties when worked on.

 

[Roguetheory]

Dude... Even those who prefer it over ZZF and VSF state that the end links are not so recessed. It may not be a big deal to them but it is to me. And even without those saying so, I've seen the end links in photos from many angles... I have enough reason to form the opinion that I do.

Is the consensus to date that they could be a hair more recessed? for sure. Are they flush? No. That’s the difference.