087 is finally out - [**** QC pics allowed ****]

[lolo1972sg]

To summarize, find below some comments about the little flaws of this nice rep:

Thanks Grim and shoes for their info and gen pics.

CROWN GUARD
Some old PAM models didn’t have the impressive finish quality of new ones. That affects also the inner corners of the CG. As commented by projectologist in RG the finish of H maker rep is even better.
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=248805&p=2741202&viewfull=1#post2741202
But it bis also inaccurate

I have seen many gen pics from different sources (mainly shoes and Grim gens) and what I see is that the inner CG corners of the gen are not either squared or rounded, they are “chamferedâ€. In the same way as PAM 064, PAM 056 and PAM 061.
Due to the little inconsistency of gen finish in those old models we can find from perfectly “chamfered†inner corners to slightly rounded corners.
Below some gen pics to shown these differences. On many of them you can see perfectly the “chamfered†above commented.

On the last pic the chamfered is obvious. Below pic shows the “chamfered†I’m talking about.

Therefore H maker CG, which has squared corners, is nicely finished, even better than gen, of course, but somehow it is inaccurate. It is one of the few “flaws†of this magnificent rep.
As commented by Grim, H maker has already proved the capacity to get this “chamfered†inner corners, because H maker has already got this feature in PAM 056 and 061.


PEARL COLOUR
Not only PAM 087 has different colours of pearls depending on the material used by Panerai (as commented by projectoligist in RG), but it depends a lot on the angle of view and the lighting. In this regard read previous post by Grimlocktime
https://forum.replica-watch.info/vb...llowed-****?p=2542305&viewfull=1#post-2542305


CASEBACK ENGRAVINGS
In relation to the caseback, just to say that H maker is nicely made and showing the differences of engraving depth between the production number (shallower) and the rest of engravings (really deep). As I can see from pics and QC pics H maker deeper engravings are a bit shallower than gen ones.
See the shoes gen engravings in below pics:

They are IMO clearly deeper than rep engravings


GRAIN OF BRUSHING
Another interesting difference could be the “grain†of the brushing. Usually gen has finer brushing than H maker rep. But that can be variable between gen batches, as we can see in gen pics above shown.

That said I think we have a high quality Super rep and a nice watch to be strongly recommended.
Congrats H maker for this nice job



ALE

Thanks to ALE, this might just be my next PAM rep.....

 

[ALE7575]

You will not get disappointed

ALE

 

[maxracingshox]

You will not get disappointed

ALE

Already ordered one due to your review!

 

[Netbis71]

Just got to my QC pictures this morning, overall I think it looks ok, comments are welcome. Thanks ALE for allowing QC for this awesome new release.

I see bezel missaligned @12 this is almost always an issue for me when bezel rotates, I have not gotten a rep that aligns markers @12, maybe just needs one extra click ccw ?

bezel alignment@12, not sure ?

bezel markers, hard to see, seems nicely finished ?

knurling, looks ok for what these bad pictures are worth ?

I know very little about cyclops, how does it look, are the edges polished ? I checked against post from Polonus and it seems to look similar to his watch.

crown guard seems nice, it is lacking that chamfered look and it is more square

backplate looks ok with shallow etching as expected, I see OP "O" a bit too thick as well, but I am not sure 100%.

I wish they sent me better pictures. I never got the lume shot, no timegrapher result. I asked TD to send me better pictures, lume, crystal and timegrapher and if bezel clicks aligned @12

Please tell me what do you think about this great watch ?

 

[pcardoza]

The bezel does look mis-aligned. I would ask the TD if it's just a click off or if it's a problem. Why any TD would send photos like that is beyond me. That's something that that a total newb should notice.

 

[elusive1]

bezel alignment at 12 has been an issue for me on submersible reps too. Why is it so hard?

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[Netbis71]

The bezel does look mis-aligned. I would ask the TD if it's just a click off or if it's a problem. Why any TD would send photos like that is beyond me. That's something that that a total newb should notice.

If bezel markers align in between markers on the dial once, even when clicked forward it will never be aligned. Such a nice watch, hopefully I get this resolved.

 

[tosoboso]

I am willing to bet you could snorkel at least with these and not have any issues..


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Without wanting to water down this thread - I just got back from 10 days snorkelling trip with a V6 Pam 508 and I must say that it was a wonderful, wonderful experience, with the watch being exposed to water (submerged) for prolonged periods of time without any issues. I've went with it swimming before, but not snorkelling, so that puts things at different level, I would not worry for those pieces being waterproof, most of the time they should be, the factories are doing a good job imho

 

[Netbis71]

Is it common on the watch to have bezel mark misaligned with marks on the dial, or is it my bad luck ?

Does anyone know if this can be fixed and aligned properly @12 mark ?

 

[pamdude]

Is it common on the watch to have bezel mark misaligned with marks on the dial, or is it my bad luck ?

Does anyone know if this can be fixed and aligned properly @12 mark ?

Well...some gen has misaligned bezel, too. It should be an easy fix if you have a case knife. Or you can send it to one of the modders and should not be a problem for them.

 

[maxracingshox]

I am really curious about the bezel ratchet construction... Has anyone taken their bezel off yet?

 

[Netbis71]

Not sure if I can post links to gen site here, but I found related info on network54 forum (googled it) someone disassembled gen 025H, which should be similar in construction anyways, looks like pam subs have nylon ring under rotating piece, same construction as reps I think. As far as disassembled h-fac rep 087 just been released, so I doubt anyone attempted to disassemble it so soon.

 

[maxracingshox]

Not sure if I can post links to gen site here, but I found related info on network54 forum (googled it) someone disassembled gen 025H, which should be similar in construction anyways, looks like pam subs have nylon ring under rotating piece, same construction as reps I think. As far as disassembled h-fac rep 087 just been released, so I doubt anyone attempted to disassemble it so soon.

Thanks man!
The reason I asked is because of EXACTLY the thread you are talking about! XD
I am curious if H maker has a better ratchet system than OEM Panerai with their cheap plastic rings... I have a feeling that HF Pam087 has a stamped steel ratchet under the bezel which is actually of much higher durability than gen

 

[shoes]

I can confirm the gen uses two plastic rings one in the bezel and one in a channel in the case. They are flimsy and wear out it's a poor design flaw considering the dive heritage of panerai. I will post pictures tomorrow.


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[ALE7575]

Not sure if I can post links to gen site here, but I found related info on network54 forum (googled it) someone disassembled gen 025H, which should be similar in construction anyways, looks like pam subs have nylon ring under rotating piece, same construction as reps I think. As far as disassembled h-fac rep 087 just been released, so I doubt anyone attempted to disassemble it so soon.

Thanks man!
The reason I asked is because of EXACTLY the thread you are talking about! XD
I am curious if H maker has a better ratchet system than OEM Panerai with their cheap plastic rings... I have a feeling that HF Pam087 has a stamped steel ratchet under the bezel which is actually of much higher durability than gen

NO PROBLEM if you post the gen links
That will be welcome
Go ahead

ALE

 

[Netbis71]

Below is the link to gen 25H bezel dissection, it is possible 087 construction is similar to this one with vinyl ring(s) underneath the bezel.

Notice how '30' marker is off rotated 180 deg. and crooked '15'....on gen watch ?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/638808/thread/1337733420/New+guy,+first+PAM,+pre-owned+25H,+opened+her+up

 

[Netbis71]

Please do, thanks.

 

[Netbis71]

I can confirm the gen uses two plastic rings one in the bezel and one in a channel in the case. They are flimsy and wear out it's a poor design flaw considering the dive heritage of panerai. I will post pictures tomorrow.


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Thank you, please do so.

 

[Netbis71]

I accepted the QC on Jan.31, but isn't amp=230deg kinda low where acceptable levels should be around 270~300 ?

My only hope is that watch wasn't fully winded and amp was reading low because of this. Beat Error: is 0.5 which is GOOD, and RATE: only -4 sec/day, but movement may need service asap if amp is this low for real.

 

[shoes]

Gen bezel retaining ring and click system construction as per request

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