ARF 16610 LV Submariner 904L Kermit photo review

[KJ2020]

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All I can say the ARF has some good points and some bad.

Have you changed your crystal bro?

 

[tribal]

Have you changed your crystal bro?

Hey mate, not yet. Still waiting for parts to get it right.

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[stufuse]

Just my two cents.


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A very welcome 2cents.


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[tribal]

A very welcome 2cents.


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Thank you.
By the way that's my ARF untouched yet.

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[markiemark]

Anyone knows if they all have the same serials or what?

 

[m5smg2]

Thank you.
By the way that's my ARF untouched yet.

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Looking good. Would you share some more photos please. Curious if any changes were made to the crown guards, SEL, clasp. Thanks

 

[tribal]

Looking good. Would you share some more photos please. Curious if any changes were made to the crown guards, SEL, clasp. Thanks

Shure

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[tribal]

Double Post ;(

 

[HardVision]

So I just got my new “gen” bezel spring and click spring in an effort to make the bezel action more solid and get rid of the rock/wobble. Here are just a few notes from what I found.

Factory ARF bezel spring(washer) thickness) 0.0081” (0.205mm)
Factory ARF bezel click spring wire thickness) 0.0159” (0.403mm)

Ebay “Gen Swiss Made” bezel spring (washer) thickness) 0.0061” (0.154mm)
Ebay “Gen Swiss Made” bezel click spring) 0.0156” (0.396mm)

As I suspected you can double up the washers but it makes the bezel action too stiff. The nice thing about the washers being doubled up is that the bezel rock/wobble was almost completely gone! If this washer could be 0.012” (0.304mm) it would be a nice sweet spot between eliminating the rock/wobble and still allowing the bezel to rotate smoothly.
The click spring was just a tiny about better, but I think that what the difference was is the large curve that the click spring has. After swapping them around a couple of times I gave the large curve of the click spring a smaller/tighter radius bend, and with the click spring in place I bent the little finger at the end of the spring so it would be angled up from the watch face.
These two things made the bezel action much more acceptable. IMO buying the Swiss made equivalent parts was a waste of $80. I think the fix for the bezel is to buy a gen bezel ring and gen bezel retaining ring (the bit that sits around the crystal that holds onto the click spring) not exactly a cheap fix unfortunately

 

[Nikz19]

So I just got my new “gen” bezel spring and click spring in an effort to make the bezel action more solid and get rid of the rock/wobble. Here are just a few notes from what I found.

Factory ARF bezel spring(washer) thickness) 0.0081” (0.205mm)
Factory ARF bezel click spring wire thickness) 0.0159” (0.403mm)

Ebay “Gen Swiss Made” bezel spring (washer) thickness) 0.0061” (0.154mm)
Ebay “Gen Swiss Made” bezel click spring) 0.0156” (0.396mm)

As I suspected you can double up the washers but it makes the bezel action too stiff. The nice thing about the washers being doubled up is that the bezel rock/wobble was almost completely gone! If this washer could be 0.012” (0.304mm) it would be a nice sweet spot between eliminating the rock/wobble and still allowing the bezel to rotate smoothly.
The click spring was just a tiny about better, but I think that what the difference was is the large curve that the click spring has. After swapping them around a couple of times I gave the large curve of the click spring a smaller/tighter radius bend, and with the click spring in place I bent the little finger at the end of the spring so it would be angled up from the watch face.
These two things made the bezel action much more acceptable. IMO buying the Swiss made equivalent parts was a waste of $80. I think the fix for the bezel is to buy a gen bezel ring and gen bezel retaining ring (the bit that sits around the crystal that holds onto the click spring) not exactly a cheap fix unfortunately

Correct. I solved mine installing a genuine crystal retaining ring and a genuine spring. Bezel is not needed!

 

[masterpiece777]

[QUOTE
SH swap to VR
First successful mod done by me now to change crystal...

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Very nice watch congratulations with your frog buddy!
wear it in good health!

 

[HardVision]

Correct. I solved mine installing a genuine crystal retaining ring and a genuine spring. Bezel is not needed!

Where might I find information on how to remove the retaining ring? Is it a press in piece or a thread in? Thanks in advance!

 

[Nikz19]

Where might I find information on how to remove the retaining ring? Is it a press in piece or a thread in? Thanks in advance!

It’s pressed in.

 

[ornateLover]

Not sure wh/t to do next.. maybe gen bezel ring but dunno if compatible

 

[ornateLover]

I just love the way the dial and hands and markers glow against the dark black

 

[masterpiece777]

I just love the way the dial and hands and markers glow against the dark black

But this is not ARF. Since you have rehout engraving?

 

[ornateLover]

But this is not ARF. Since you have rehout engraving?

True that. It’s a wokey jf/tc Frankenstein that I just put an arf bracelet on

 

[m5smg2]

True that. It’s a wokey jf/tc Frankenstein that I just put an arf bracelet on

I don’t think TC had rehaut engravings either

 

[m5smg2]

True that. It’s a wokey jf/tc Frankenstein that I just put an arf bracelet on

Does the clasp have E06 stamp code?

 

[KJ2020]

So I just got my new “gen” bezel spring and click spring in an effort to make the bezel action more solid and get rid of the rock/wobble. Here are just a few notes from what I found.

Factory ARF bezel spring(washer) thickness) 0.0081” (0.205mm)
Factory ARF bezel click spring wire thickness) 0.0159” (0.403mm)

Ebay “Gen Swiss Made” bezel spring (washer) thickness) 0.0061” (0.154mm)
Ebay “Gen Swiss Made” bezel click spring) 0.0156” (0.396mm)

As I suspected you can double up the washers but it makes the bezel action too stiff. The nice thing about the washers being doubled up is that the bezel rock/wobble was almost completely gone! If this washer could be 0.012” (0.304mm) it would be a nice sweet spot between eliminating the rock/wobble and still allowing the bezel to rotate smoothly.
The click spring was just a tiny about better, but I think that what the difference was is the large curve that the click spring has. After swapping them around a couple of times I gave the large curve of the click spring a smaller/tighter radius bend, and with the click spring in place I bent the little finger at the end of the spring so it would be angled up from the watch face.
These two things made the bezel action much more acceptable. IMO buying the Swiss made equivalent parts was a waste of $80. I think the fix for the bezel is to buy a gen bezel ring and gen bezel retaining ring (the bit that sits around the crystal that holds onto the click spring) not exactly a cheap fix unfortunately

You can sand the bezel tension ring to a thinner diameter. I've done it a bunch of times for various purposes. Same for a DW overlay. I have used the tension rings as spacers under inserts to build up height for proper fit, for example.

Use some wide masking tape, roll it over onto itself to make it double-sided sticky. Pull it taut over a crystal die larger than the ring and stick the ring onto the die. Sand on paper flat on the bench. Soak in soapy water for easy removal if bending of the ring looks possible when trying to separate it.