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ZF PAM127
- Thread starter takoxavy
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I agree ZF looks good as well, nothing wrong with this version as far as I can tell.
Maybe either @peterpl or @Superman76 can try and take some clear shots of your ZF from the same angles as my noob and Polonus KW? I think it would be very interesting to have a complete comparison
This is an interesting initiative from Kilo and Polonus. Please ZF owners try to participate in the comparison review in order to know the truth.
Just contact kilo or Polonus to know the angles of the pics they need
Thanks in advance
ALE
From the front view
- the most distorted crystal looks to be my noob
- ZF inscriptions look bolder than noob and kw but I suspect this might be a focus issue
- L SWISS MADE L inscription looks smaller on noob, hard to judge as it's very close to the edge and may be distorted by crystal
- Dial cutouts and numbers/indices again hard to judge due to distortion, they all look fine to me.
- CG shape is good in all three, ZF has nicer pin, noob has nicer lever tip KW is in the middle.
- REG T.M. engraving font looks slightly too tall in ZF, very similar in KW and noob
- Crown and tube look very similar in all three versions
- Noob and ZF have sunken CP, KW has faux CP perfectly flat but hands sit too tall on the dial
- All version have wrong minute hand with too wide lume portion
From the back view
- ZF has more evident sunburst on plates
- sunburst brushing on gears is too wough on ZF, the polished effect on the teeth looks better than the others though
- Swan neck shape looks very similar if not the same
- Micrometric screw is worse in noob, with smaller head. Both kw and ZF look good, I slightly prefer KW becaus the head is detached from the swan neck (more credible effect)
- Noob obviously does not have Y incabloc, nice feature in both ZF and KW
- OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE engraving look very similar in KW and ZF, more yellow and less crisp in noob.
- Caseback engravings look deeper in KW, nicer but maybe too deep. It probably is the pic, but the serial number in ZF looks too rough, almost like laser engraved.
- the most distorted crystal looks to be my noob
- ZF inscriptions look bolder than noob and kw but I suspect this might be a focus issue
- L SWISS MADE L inscription looks smaller on noob, hard to judge as it's very close to the edge and may be distorted by crystal
- Dial cutouts and numbers/indices again hard to judge due to distortion, they all look fine to me.
- CG shape is good in all three, ZF has nicer pin, noob has nicer lever tip KW is in the middle.
- REG T.M. engraving font looks slightly too tall in ZF, very similar in KW and noob
- Crown and tube look very similar in all three versions
- Noob and ZF have sunken CP, KW has faux CP perfectly flat but hands sit too tall on the dial
- All version have wrong minute hand with too wide lume portion
From the back view
- ZF has more evident sunburst on plates
- sunburst brushing on gears is too wough on ZF, the polished effect on the teeth looks better than the others though
- Swan neck shape looks very similar if not the same
- Micrometric screw is worse in noob, with smaller head. Both kw and ZF look good, I slightly prefer KW becaus the head is detached from the swan neck (more credible effect)
- Noob obviously does not have Y incabloc, nice feature in both ZF and KW
- OFFICINE PANERAI FIRENZE engraving look very similar in KW and ZF, more yellow and less crisp in noob.
- Caseback engravings look deeper in KW, nicer but maybe too deep. It probably is the pic, but the serial number in ZF looks too rough, almost like laser engraved.
To add to that list. The strap quality on the ZF is very nice. Not quite gen like due to lack of texture. Very wearable however.
Bigjulie did a comparison between gen and rep here http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...Gen-vs-Rep-Picture-Review?highlight=127+strap
i have seen comments that KW strap is poor quality.
Bigjulie did a comparison between gen and rep here http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...Gen-vs-Rep-Picture-Review?highlight=127+strap
i have seen comments that KW strap is poor quality.
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Thanks kilo for this nice summary
Now we know much more of these reps
Interesting points you have got
Some comments to be added, many of them following kilo indications:
-KW and ZFac tip of the micrometric screws are wrongly pointed (and I don't know or understand the reason)
-Incabloc is a rep part nicely modified but not gen
-Lyre spring is also rep
-Sunburst effect on gen bridges seems in a point about the middle between ZFac (more evident) and KW-Noob (less evident). Anyway gen seems closer to KW-Noob
-IMO caseback engravings are better in Noob and KW
-Of course Swan Neck spring is the same in all versions (and the same as usually in rep A6497) and the shape is horrible as always.
-I don't like the sunburst effect of the ZFac wheels. Noob and KW are really nice
-The best crystal is KW by far and seeing all the QC pics and pics published the more consistent in quality
Waiting for the comparison of the case shape and finish, at this moment the winner is KW (IMHO)
ALE
Now we know much more of these reps
Interesting points you have got
Some comments to be added, many of them following kilo indications:
-KW and ZFac tip of the micrometric screws are wrongly pointed (and I don't know or understand the reason)
-Incabloc is a rep part nicely modified but not gen
-Lyre spring is also rep
-Sunburst effect on gen bridges seems in a point about the middle between ZFac (more evident) and KW-Noob (less evident). Anyway gen seems closer to KW-Noob
-IMO caseback engravings are better in Noob and KW
-Of course Swan Neck spring is the same in all versions (and the same as usually in rep A6497) and the shape is horrible as always.
-I don't like the sunburst effect of the ZFac wheels. Noob and KW are really nice
-The best crystal is KW by far and seeing all the QC pics and pics published the more consistent in quality
Waiting for the comparison of the case shape and finish, at this moment the winner is KW (IMHO)
ALE
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Now expert has answered all the questions
Nope
Kilo is really who has answered all questions
ALE
Wotancraft is a bit expensive in effect, and the Gunny 74 I think too. You have a lot of options under 100 usd though.
My noob is on a Bakeka which was I think 65 euros:
Trust me, there's nothing more worth your money than a good strap for your PAM
Please tell us the name/model of this beauty strap
I think it was this one
http://www.bakeka-handmade.com/Vitello_Naturale.html
Or this one
http://www.bakeka-handmade.com/Vitello_Naturale_Raw_Edges.html
I am sure the hide is called "vitello naturale", but not sure of the model, most likely custom. My strap has burnished edges, differently than those in the links above.
Nothing Alfio can't do if you ask him
http://www.bakeka-handmade.com/Vitello_Naturale.html
Or this one
http://www.bakeka-handmade.com/Vitello_Naturale_Raw_Edges.html
I am sure the hide is called "vitello naturale", but not sure of the model, most likely custom. My strap has burnished edges, differently than those in the links above.
Nothing Alfio can't do if you ask him