Clean Factory New Submariner Series Review (Incl. Comparison Pics vs Gen)

[Weedb0y]

VSF or Clean???

 

[Rusty_Shackleford]

VSF or Clean???

flip a coin.

can’t go wrong with either.

 

[subhunter101]

Some more Gen vs CF pics.

how can anybody look at this and say that Clean has fixed the crown guards? They’re still completely wrong on the outer tips

 

[BOSSK]

How can anyone not know how to quote a post without including ALL the pictures.

 

[MtnMover]

So can anyone confirm or deny if the CF v4 crown guards have improved enough to contend with VSF? Is there still no comparison who produces the super rep? I like CF for other reps but might be driven to them for a 116610 for sake of availability.

 

[mnkoshka]

The crown guards have been improved on the latest version. I Compared in hand to a gen and took measurements, it’s much better and the difference isn’t even worth worrying about. I think people have been blind sided by the latest versions of the gen sub crown guards. I’ve owned many gen subs over the years and the guards have changed. The curve radius from the case to guard tip has changed from the early maxi cases to what we see now… literally 0.07 of a millimetre. CF had the side angular profile wrong but have now somewhat fixed it. Not 100% but much better.


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[Fedon06]

 

[Fedon06]

Bezel one click ahead , no worries on alignment definitely nwbig after dental flossing the gritty crown and giving the bracelet a nice oil bath

everything else is perfect, keeps head2head time with my gen BB58

just one thing, bezel action is a bit loose, would be better if it was stiffer.. handled gen couple times and gen is definitely stiffer

 

[federik91]

How do you think about color of gold plated?

 

[Mr.JC]

Beautiful piece. How's the gold plating holding up?

 

[subhunter101]

The crown guards have been improved on the latest version. I Compared in hand to a gen and took measurements, it’s much better and the difference isn’t even worth worrying about. I think people have been blind sided by the latest versions of the gen sub crown guards. I’ve owned many gen subs over the years and the guards have changed. The curve radius from the case to guard tip has changed from the early maxi cases to what we see now… literally 0.07 of a millimetre. CF had the side angular profile wrong but have now somewhat fixed it. Not 100% but much better.


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I just had the “latest version” in my hands a few days ago and they were still wrong. Vsf crown guards are much better finished too, there no weird shaping in the curve from lug to CG.

 

[Jayalvin777]

Please be aware, clean is back at their dodgy practices again.

From reddit: " according to Korean TD(oerep), they found 15 clean factory Submariner are fake(July 31st QC). Several customers(Korean rep watch forum)found difference of product compared to Claen product and requested the TD for verification. It turned out that this batch was delivered by one of Clean sub supplier who is a cousin of the owner of the Clean factory and the supplier used fake VSF parts"

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[mnkoshka]

I just had the “latest version” in my hands a few days ago and they were still wrong. Vsf crown guards are much better finished too, there no weird shaping in the curve from lug to CG.

Compared to what year model of sub? I’ve owned at least five version since 2013 crown guards on the gen have changed over the years and yes have become more refined on the which the vsf represents now, CF could be modeling off an older case, not every factory creates a cad program of takes measurements from the the latest sub… they use what they have or can get. I’m a toolmaker and machinist and trust me I have proper measuring equipment
…, I’m not just using a “calibrated eyeball”
Here’s a 2013 gen against my latest CF for example. And yes finish does equate to the look and shape which can be visually misrepresenting.

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[mnkoshka]

And here’s a 2021 sub on top of a 2013. The 2021 guards are more curved to right to the tip and more refined. The difference is minimal but it’s there

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[Giellea]

How do you think about color of gold plated?

I think the color of gold is very like to the gen.

 

[Giellea]

Beautiful piece. How's the gold plating holding up?

Thanks friend!! I use some protections to protect the bracelet, but the plating holds up well.

 

[StreetFighter]

And here’s a 2021 sub on top of a 2013. The 2021 guards are more curved to right to the tip and more refined. The difference is minimal but it’s there

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I'd disagree and say gen Sub CG's have remained the same throughout the 116610 lifetime. I have never ever seen any mention of a change on TRF ever and I have been reading every day since 2007 nor have I ever seen a 116 Sub with anything other than the CG's that I'm used to looking at.

It would be my opinion that gen LV you have used in your comparison has been polished and the CG edges (and bezel scallops) have been softened, so it does indeed look more like Clean which is still not quite there if compared to an unpolished example.

 

[bertieng]

Can we really tell if the CG is slightly off with our naked eyes without a gen next to it, or without having the comparison pics magnified 10X?

 

[Kalev007]

I'd disagree and say gen Sub CG's have remained the same throughout the 116610 lifetime. I have never ever seen any mention of a change on TRF ever and I have been reading every day since 2007 nor have I ever seen a 116 Sub with anything other than the CG's that I'm used to looking at.

It would be my opinion that gen LV you have used in your comparison has been polished and the CG edges (and bezel scallops) have been softened, so it does indeed look more like Clean which is still not quite there if compared to an unpolished example.

I've understood the same they can look very different due to polishing not done correctly.

Perhaps Clean copied a badly polished case.

 

[StreetFighter]

I've understood the same they can look very different due to polishing not done correctly.

Perhaps Clean copied a badly polished case.

I think Cleans case supplier is not paying as much attention to detail as the dial, bracelet, hands suppliers do. They missed the side taper too but I think they have fixed that now?