ahhhhhh that makes sense, stupid question on my part.....but i have one last question and then i'm done lol. Is a dial change something that anyone can do with the proper tools or do I search out a horologist on this amazing forum.
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ZF Black Bay Changes. (Rose fixed!)
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ahhhhhh that makes sense, stupid question on my part.....but i have one last question and then i'm done lol. Is a dial change something that anyone can do with the proper tools or do I search out a horologist on this amazing forum.
no worries, and many wouldn't have known that helenarou could supply rep parts by just looking at their website
if you want to change the dial, you need at the very least:
- caseback opener for Tudor / Rolex, or a wad of sticky tape to open the caseback
- 0.6mm screwdriver for removing the movement tab and screws
- 1.2mm screwdriver for removing the stem
- some rodico for cleaning up smudges or dust, or for installing hands
- metal forceps (for placing the tabs and screw back into the case and movement)
- plastic forceps (for handling the delicate hands - alternatively you can just use rodico to move the hands like plasticine)
- dust blower
- hands removal tool
- hands installation tool
- some silicone grease for re-sealing the gasket when you are done and going to close the caseback
To get a good idea of what you are up against, here is a video of how to install watch hands (because you will be reinstalling hands in order to install the dial)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a60eb49-6EM
if you don't plan to mod watches in the near future, then having the dial replaced by a watchmaker would be better than to invest in a bunch of tools. There are plenty of forum watchmakers and modders that are located in the states
Switching the Dial isnt top hard. The reason i sold my HR modded BB is that tbh it didnt feel like that much of an upgrade. It was a small change for an upgrade of half the cost of the watch. Also the lume is plain white and not creamy like the gen and doesnt lume bright as long as ZF lume. Also on the wrist the difference was almost negligible
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I believe the gen hands are also made out of gold and i think that also plays a big role in how good they look.I made a comment about the cannon pinion being polished and it got me thinking if I have ever seen macros of the hand stack. I shot a few and here is what the gen actually looks like. I assumed it was the same as rolex with polished seconds pinion but looks like the illusion is created with a button on the second hand. Also look at how finely finished the hands are on the gen compared to the rep pic below.
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Its funny but I compared my gen lume to the zf lume and that stuff is actually brighter than the gen!
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Wow.. thank you so much for all of this information. the reason for all of my inquiries is that i'm in the process of working out a sale with a member on M2M when he gets back to his home from being away since I first posted in WTB. It will be my first rep... and i'm becoming obsessed with these little subtle nuances. I can see this hobby becoming very expensive and like when I do artwork... you gotta know when its time to stop
no problem, yeah when our obsessions go crazy and we start modding / franken-ing, the cost adds up very quickly!
there are 2 types of replica blackbay at the moment
1. Blackbay 79220 (i.e. this one) = uses a 'rose logo' on the dial. Genuine counterpart of this watch uses an ETA 2824-2 Tudor ebauche which is very similar to this replica that uses an Asian 2824-2 clone movement
2. Blackbay 79230 = uses a 'shield logo' on the dial. Genuine counterpart of the this watch uses the new in-house Tudor MT5602 movement whereas the replica version of the 79230 blackbay still uses Asian 2824-2 clone movement
imo the later blackbay with the 'shield logo' on the dial (i.e. 79230) is prettier and more accurate (because the Tudor 'shield logo' is simpler to replicate). But these replica blackbay with 'shield logo' resemble less to the genuine counterpart because the genuine Tudor 'shield logo' blackbay use in-house Tudor movements, whereas the genuine Tudor 'rose logo' blackbay still used ETA 2824-2 ebauche which is very similar to the replica blackbay that uses Asian 2824-2 clone movement
if you want to go for dial logo accuracy without breaking the bank, go for the replica 79230 blackbay
if you want your replica blackbay to have a similar movement to the genuine one (even though the watch has a close caseback), then go for this blackbay (79220 with 'rose logo') with perhaps a HR dial
Think they’ll release any more rose dial versions?
Thickness of the shield kills it for me (14.8mm!). But I do like the riveted bracelet.
Thickness of the shield kills it for me (14.8mm!). But I do like the riveted bracelet.
What do you mean by any more? Arent all the rose dial Black Bays repped? And yeah the shield Dial is pretty thick. I immediately noticed it when i first put it on. But still like both versions
As in a V6 revision with improved dial printing for e.g. I guess they’ll be focusing on the new in house models.
Tried on one of the new gen BB’s and just felt it was way too thick. Shame because I love the watch!
Tried on one of the new gen BB’s and just felt it was way too thick. Shame because I love the watch!
I think they will release more versions. The changes that i mentioned in this thread just happened like 3 weeks ago and the shield version has been around for about 3 months now i believe. But im not sure if the printing method is going to change for them.
Well, if you get a rep one you could always get the thin caseback and put it on the shield dial and it will fit as it just houses the 2824
I don't think the dial changed at all (as far as I know they are not even manufacturing the rose dials anymore), I think you just got lucky with a better logo (still missing a petal but not as obvious). As far as the H dials go, they look fantastic in terms of rose logo but the lume color looks too white?
Yes, on the HR dial the lume looks tol white. I think its a new batch because intime has taken the prefix of V5 off and even changed their pics with the new fixed petal in the rose. I dont think they would notice such a small tell if it wasnt pointed out towards them.
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I don't see the version you are talking about but something tells me you are looking at the old V2 pictures. Something that most folks don't know that the rose logo wasn't always a flaw for this watch (typical rep story actually, one step forward, two step backwards...). If you look at the v1 and v2 pics (and you can't really find them anymore)you will see that the rose logo is better than v4 or v5 (but the old versions did suffer from the mismatching lume on the hands)...
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Any photos of the older versions would be great. FWIW the cheaper DHGate reps have managed a full rose! Will try and get some images.
Edit: found these from an old trade - v1 or 2
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And Narikaa’s stock:
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As an aside, anyone know how narikaa’s bb’s hold up to ZF’s?
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Any photos of the older versions would be great. FWIW the cheaper DHGate reps have managed a full rose! Will try and get some images.
Edit: found these from an old trade - v1 or 2
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And Narikaa’s stock:
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As an aside, anyone know how narikaa’s bb’s hold up to ZF’s?
I can take some more pics if you want. Since i mounted an HR dial in my old BB that I sold I still have the old Zf dial and have the new ZF watch here too for comparison.
Pretty sure its the new one not the old v1 and v2
https://www.intime01.co/promotions/1443-heritage-black-bay-zf-best-version-on-bracelet-a2824.html
Second to last pic:
https://www.intime01.co/1443-24761-thickbox/heritage-black-bay-zf-best-version-on-bracelet-a2824.jpg
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There is one more flaw on the HR dial that I haven't seen anyone mention. The shape of the triangle and rectangular indices. On the gen and ZF, they hug the curve of the dial. On the HR, they do not. They're flat, and so stick up away from the dial surface a bit at their outer edges. You can see this in strong sunlight and an angle that causes the indices to cast a shadow on the dial. Straight on and in most pictures you'd never notice it.
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