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ZF AP 15500
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i end up with the black dial , i love the balence between the all steel and the black of the dial and i have already a hublot classic fusion in blue so .... let's wait now
Good choice mate
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My wrist is 6.5-7”, watch looks even smaller in person, it’s a pretty small watch.
I love the blue, it is dark navy in a dimly lit room, but really comes alive in bright light:
Lovely watch there! Congrats on the purchase! Do you have any franken mods planned for this ? As lovely as the watch is I couldn't control but notice MIGHTY gaps in the bezel screws. Do you plan to fix them ?
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Gen is exactly like this - have no idea what you mean man?
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The bezel screw decorations (they are faux screws technically) can be better aligned and polished for any rep which doesn’t have too egregious a flaw in this area. I wouldn’t worry too much about it.
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What I meant is the little gaps between the screws at the top.... the bottom one looks perfect but the top ones I'm note sure It is otherwise a beauty but gen or rep my ocd when it comes to watches just cant stop me from noticing it... But from my observance, some reps have it some dont...
They are shadows! The screws are countersunk, as per some of the gens.
Here’s a different angle/lighting:
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I love the blue, it is dark navy in a dimly lit room, but really comes alive in bright light:
These are shots I needed to and didn’t need to see!!
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Actually, [mention]Don5665 [/mention]made a valid general implication. The rep bezel screws (technically faux screw head decorations) often need improvements in terms of alignment and finish.
This is my gen.
You can still see black shadows around some of the screws heads but the alignment of the decorative screw heads are more refined overall vs most of the rep ones. If I have to nitpick on it, I will give it a 90/100 score on the alignment of the screws on my piece. Not perfect.
I don’t think there is any obvious sinking of any of the screws though, and overall and most importantly what I wish to say that though there remains room for improvement in this specific aspect where the rep is concerned, the issue is not serious to warrant it as an individual tell. I have seen ill-aligned gen bezel screws as well and even different heights on each screw on the same watch. These are afterall hand assembled at least in part and even the QC is done by humans. So there is no way logically that AP (or any other luxury watch brand) can achieve a 100% flaw free, perfect alignment, perfect fitment, perfect print production. No sir.
Your watch looks fine and the bezel screws are good to my eyes. Remember that a watch is a ~4cm thing sitting on the wrist. It takes scrutiny to call out the defects and flaws and they exist even on gens. We are often a lot more harsh on our reps than we are on gens. The forum pics are always always blown up to 5x-6x magnification and as such all flaws and issues are magnified as well. If we learn to appreciate these reps in real life context, they are very good watches in their own rights. Yes they won’t be as refined as the gens but hey, neither do they cost the same, not by several leagues.
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Actually, [mention]Don5665 [/mention]made a valid general implication. The rep bezel screws (technically faux screw head decorations) often need improvements in terms of alignment and finish.
This is my gen.
You can still see black shadows around some of the screws heads but the alignment of the decorative screw heads are more refined overall vs most of the rep ones. If I have to nitpick on it, I will give it a 90/100 score on the alignment of the screws on my piece. Not perfect.
I don’t think there is any obvious sinking of any of the screws though, and overall and most importantly what I wish to say that though there remains room for improvement in this specific aspect where the rep is concerned, the issue is not serious to warrant it as an individual tell. I have seen ill-aligned gen bezel screws as well and even different heights on each screw on the same watch. These are afterall hand assembled at least in part and even the QC is done by humans. So there is no way logically that AP (or any other luxury watch brand) can achieve a 100% flaw free, perfect alignment, perfect fitment, perfect print production. No sir.
Your watch looks fine and the bezel screws are good to my eyes. Remember that a watch is a ~4cm thing sitting on the wrist. It takes scrutiny to call out the defects and flaws and they exist even on gens. We are often a lot more harsh on our reps than we are on gens. The forum pics are always always blown up to 5x-6x magnification and as such all flaws and issues are magnified as well. If we learn to appreciate these reps in real life context, they are very good watches in their own rights. Yes they won’t be as refined as the gens but hey, neither do they cost the same, not by several leagues.
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Very well put down sir, and honestly have learned a lot been following you on this forum and conclude that a rep can never match a gen 100%, and it'd be harsh to pin point flaws, after all even the hand-stitched upholstery on a Bentley and Rolls has a bit of imperfection. Coming to the screws they are a little more noticeable only because its on the extreme front of the watch and on the gen its very very "solidly" fit misalignment aside, and a few replicas like the AP JF tourbillon have nailed this aspect pretty well so ZF should have been more careful. After all not many are skilled like you (or lucky enough to take your help) and some more gentleman out here on this forum to sort it on their own... Maybe ZF can do a better job with that in their V2 variant and for now people getting one of these are still getting a good VFM watch.
One thing I do notice about the rep 15500 though is that on the gen the right edge of the date window seems to protrude slightly into the second counter ring causing a little inset groove on the ring. On the rep the date window right edge is flush against the second counter ring edge. The date window positions may be slightly different on the gen and rep 15500.
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In person these screw heads are so tiny that any slight imperfections are all but invisible to the naked eye.
One thing I do notice about the rep 15500 though is that on the gen the right edge of the date window seems to protrude slightly into the second counter ring causing a little inset groove on the ring. On the rep the date window right edge is flush against the second counter ring edge. The date window positions may be slightly different on the gen and rep 15500.
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Excellent observation A. Well spotted
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Hey A, if you can see the difference, you will understand that the second counter ring forms part of the dial and cannot be shaved in this case. The tell is subtle on its own anyway, don't you agree?
And most importantly, are you planning to get your own "closest to gen" color of this model? :hehehe:
I do agree yeah, it's nothing and for real the ZF release is a fraction of the gen price and did a FAR better job than OMF.
And yeah, i'm gonna get myself a close to gen color lol.
Tbh peeps are too picky about colors, if the dial have to be dark blue and is cyan "NOT OK", if the dark blue is darker or a bit lighter it's "OK".
Again 400 bucks rep versus 20K bucks and peeps still ask for gen like, better move with gen or buy a gen dial when you're such picky.
From my side i will never buy a a gen dial for a slighty color difference, i prefer buy 4 more reps instead with non gen like dial colors lol.