XF New AP Royal Oak 15202 Releasing Soon!

[JohnnyDangerous]

Stop hoping. Just buy one from Le Brassus Factory.

It seems you are against progressive quality with the increased costs and happy with whatever flaws they feed you for your hard earned money... or at least calling them out.

I think pointing out flaws is constructive, you seem to want to marginalize that. It's an interesting take in a forum of rep enthusiasts.

 

[Pdatoon]

It seems you are against progressive quality with the increased costs and happy with whatever flaws they feed you for your hard earned money... or at least calling them out.

I think pointing out flaws is constructive, you seem to want to marginalize that. It's an interesting take in a forum of rep enthusiasts.

I have never seen anyone walking around with a magnifying glass. Your ocd will only bring you pain and suffering in this hobby. I only suggested a way to end your pain.

 

[legend]

It seems you are against progressive quality with the increased costs and happy with whatever flaws they feed you for your hard earned money... or at least calling them out.

I think pointing out flaws is constructive, you seem to want to marginalize that. It's an interesting take in a forum of rep enthusiasts.

There are different kinds and types of flaws in reps, but ALL of them are flawed. So if you want to call flaws, none of them would be exempt and I agree with Pdatoon that the only solution for you is to get a gen.

Acceptance that these are reps, and choosing flaws you can live with and those you cannot are what matter in the hobby for us. Reps will get better and nobody is against that. There is nothing wrong with being OCD either, QueTip is the epitome of OCDness. Ultimately, you need to decide if you can live with flaw A or flaw B or C and if you cannot, it is better to go get the gen instead of expecting a specific flaw to be fixed in the next iteration. I am the same way actually and I actually own only gen APs now because of my inability to accept flaws in AP reps.
So Pdatoon's advice was sound, and one which I had taken for myself personally.

 

[JohnnyDangerous]

There are different kinds and types of flaws in reps, but ALL of them are flawed. So if you want to call flaws, none of them would be exempt and I agree with Pdatoon that the only solution for you is to get a gen.

Acceptance that these are reps, and choosing flaws you can live with and those you cannot are what matter in the hobby for us. Reps will get better and nobody is against that. There is nothing wrong with being OCD either, QueTip is the epitome of OCDness. Ultimately, you need to decide if you can live with flaw A or flaw B or C and if you cannot, it is better to go get the gen instead of expecting a specific flaw to be fixed in the next iteration. I am the same way actually and I actually own only gen APs now because of my inability to accept flaws in AP reps.
So Pdatoon's advice was sound, and one which I had taken for myself personally.

I accept they're reps, of course Legend... I'm just pointing things out that are pretty obvious to me from what I see

It's true that 99% of the people on the street won't know an AP from a timex, but I think we, in the rep community, have a responsibility to point out what we see, especially when they're pretty obvious.

We'll see what they look like through the photo shoots... I'm still waiting for a great rep of the 15202... they're sooo close!

I see they've updated the salmon dial version, and it looks pretty nice since they've fixed up the dark af date wheel, although the tappiserie is looking a bit funny like the latest XF and I think that's why they are priced ~$80 lower

 

[legend]

I accept they're reps, of course Legend... I'm just pointing things out that are pretty obvious to me from what I see

It's true that 99% of the people on the street won't know an AP from a timex, but I think we, in the rep community, have a responsibility to point out what we see, especially when they're pretty obvious.

We'll see what they look like through the photo shoots... I'm still waiting for a great rep of the 15202... they're sooo close!

I see they've updated the salmon dial version, and it looks pretty nice since they've fixed up the dark af date wheel, although the tappiserie is looking a bit funny like the latest XF and I think that's why they are priced ~$80 lower

All fair points sir.
I was not disagreeing with you back there, but rather adding on that much as I understand how we hate certain flaws (for example, the slow date change on ROO reps is a pet peeve of mine), we need to also realize that what may seem obvious to us at times may be frustratingly overlooked by the factory repeatedly. I do realize how some flaws are not meaningfully visible in real life and how other flaws appear to be so obvious to us when we look at our watch and that we realize that our love for the watch and dislike for the flaw are both strong enough to motivate us to go gen. I think that was how pdatoon's statement came across to me when I read it.

 

[Pdatoon]

I accept they're reps, of course Legend... I'm just pointing things out that are pretty obvious to me from what I see

If you can distinguish concentric circlular grooves, instead of spyrograph' style guilloché, at a wrist distance on the dial then you definately need to go gen

I have the 15202 XF V1. Do I think it's 98% gen ? Far from it. Do I like it ? I do and love wearing it (and I wore the gen before). Do the flaws bother me ? No, even though mine was modded by extraordinary modders, I still would have wear it and enjoy it if it was stock.

The only thing that bother me and wouldn't mind improving is the quality of the bracelet. It feels cheaper than other reps I have.

so to summarize, the 15202 rep we have now is good enough for me. And I have the feeling it will always be "so close" to you no matter what version and iteration they release in the future

 

[Erinoush]

If you can distinguish concentric circlular grooves, instead of spyrograph' style guilloché, at a wrist distance on the dial then you definately need to go gen

On one hand I agree with you. No one will ever be able (specially if you're after 40YO) to distinguish the concentric or not patern. on the other hand, we are here on a forum and we all have a deductive way to communicate, and then what I can say is that any body who knows how gen reflects light is immediately called out when he sees an XF or ZF, and from that point may be Johnny dangerous is right as it may come from the tapisserie patern itself..

I am personnally not an expert at all in watches, just passionate as you and many others here. I have the chance to own some nice gen pieces and all I can say is when I see a ZF or XF I don't even need to think before I realize there is something wrong in it. This is of course looking like a Jumbo but it is a completely different watch if you know how the gen is at your wrist and this might come from what Johnnydangerous described in part.

 

[Pdatoon]

On one hand I agree with you. No one will ever be able (specially if you're after 40YO) to distinguish the concentric or not patern. on the other hand, we are here on a forum and we all have a deductive way to communicate, and then what I can say is that any body who knows how gen reflects light is immediately called out when he sees an XF or ZF, and from that point may be Johnny dangerous is right as it may come from the tapisserie patern itself..

I am personnally not an expert at all in watches, just passionate as you and many others here. I have the chance to own some nice gen pieces and all I can say is when I see a ZF or XF I don't even need to think before I realize there is something wrong in it. This is of course looking like a Jumbo but it is a completely different watch if you know how the gen is at your wrist and this might come from what Johnnydangerous described in part.

Maybe you guys are trying to pass a rep for gen. I don't. I always tell the truth to people who ask me questions about my rep watches

So I guess I feel less emotional pressure and don't care much about "flaws"

 

[Erinoush]

I have the 15202 XF V1. Do I think it's 98% gen ? Far from it. Do I like it ? I do and love wearing it (and I wore the gen before). Do the flaws bother me ? No, even though mine was modded by extraordinary modders, I still would have wear it and enjoy it if it was stock.

To my eyes, that 's a great and reasonable analysis of your acceptation of your watch and its flaws. Even if it became a joke here, I am always wondering what is in people's mind when they say this is X % of a gen .... your sentence should be sticky...
I am certainly wrong, but for me any rep I saw in my short life here of model I know is just looking 0% of a gen, and the result of that is because once you see/know an obvious flaw you cannot unsee or live with this latter... and just looking at this flaw make you look a different watch from the gen...
There are reps that are close to gen in term of finish but most of them are showing flaws, and I think this gives the feeling to some of us that the watch is X% of a gen in reality the "X" is always close to "0" ....

if I got you well, like you, I am personnally 100% satisfied with all my watches, these are rep or gen, and when I am not anymore with one of these, I sale it.

 

[Sonofalich]

Maybe you guys are trying to pass a rep for gen. I don't. I always tell the truth to people who ask me questions about my rep watches

So I guess I feel less emotional pressure and don't care much about "flaws"

It's a combination of that. I think we have many members of the Instagram generation where they want to pose and show everyone how rich/successful they are. It's also levels of confidence. I think with enough confidence and lack of caring what others think, you could pull of a $100 DH Gate special (in real life). I mean I wouldn't because I have pride (that is one of my many flaws!) But I do actually have the confidence and I'm naturally a bullshitter so there's that.

I wouldn't tell the truth about my watches. But honestly, I've never been asked. I think that comes down to confidence. I'm not a badass let's get that clear, but I am cocky and arrogant. No-one in my life has ever had the balls to come up to me and ask me if a watch I'm wearing is genuine. They just assume it is. It's about how you carry yourself. But should someone ask me, I wouldn't tell the truth, I'd ask them a question back that they didn't like. Because when you think about it, asking someone that question is rude.

Essentially we're all wearing these watches for different reasons. Once you start realising nobody cares what you're wearing except you. You'll have a much better time. Stop trying to please others, please yourself. Life is a much better affair once you accept this. Bro-philosophy 101 is now in session. It's much cooler to wear your AP/ROLEX and never mention it, never post about it. Letting others notice it subtly, which isn't something you can fake. Nor should you. 95% of people will never say ANYTHING to you, positive or negative for various reasons. (their confidence, fears, knowledge, social etiquette)

AP is one of those brands I like because it is more unknown. I find Rolex too cheesy. Sure, some of the big AP RO's are certainly cheesy. And the iced out, blinged up ones Rappers are wearing. Well yeah they're over compensating for being poor when/where they grew up. So there's that... I'm pretty sure overcompensation is never a good thing. I have the unfortunate displeasure of meeting some of these people in real life and let me tell you now, their egos are very fragile. Happy on the surface, but there's a lot brewing underneath... anyway I digress.

End of the day. Who am I to judge? Just do what makes you happy. But honestly, don't please others. Wear watches for you and accept the flaws. You'll never find a perfect rep. And that's okay, you don't need to wear perfection. Wearing replicas for me has inspired me to buy gens as I can appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into the replica, and thus the genuine article is cut(s) above that.

Lastly, this wasn't targeted at you Pdatoon, was just general. But was your quote that made me think about this.

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Erinoush you're looking at macro pictures and making sweeping judgements. If your eyes are that good, I honestly suggest you contact the world records authority, and you can have a competition with a hawk. I'm telling you now, at arms distance/wrist distance. You're never going to have enough time to work out whether that watch is real or not.

Also, once again. Please, chill. Wait till we have more photos. The photos we currently have are not suitable to make huge statements. The pinion and hand-stack are large. We can see that, but again. Macro.

 

[Erinoush]

It's a combination of that. I think we have many members of the Instagram generation where they want to pose and show everyone how rich/successful they are. It's also levels of confidence. I think with enough confidence and lack of caring what others think, you could pull of a $100 DH Gate special (in real life). I mean I wouldn't because I have pride (that is one of my many flaws!) But I do actually have the confidence and I'm naturally a bullshitter so there's that.

I wouldn't tell the truth about my watches. But honestly, I've never been asked. I think that comes down to confidence. I'm not a badass let's get that clear, but I am cocky and arrogant. No-one in my life has ever had the balls to come up to me and ask me if a watch I'm wearing is genuine. They just assume it is. It's about how you carry yourself. But should someone ask me, I wouldn't tell the truth, I'd ask them a question back that they didn't like. Because when you think about it, asking someone that question is rude.

Essentially we're all wearing these watches for different reasons. Once you start realising, nobody cares what you're wearing except you. You'll have a much better time. Stop trying to please others, please yourself. Life is a much better affair once you accept this. Bro-philosophy 101 is now in session. It's much cooler to wear your AP/ROLEX and never mention it, never post about it. Letting others notice it subtly, which isn't something you can fake, and nor should you. And, 95% of people will never say ANYTHING to you, positive or negative for various reasons.

AP is one of those brands I like because it is more unknown. I find Rolex too cheesy. Sure, some of the big AP RO's are certainly cheesy. And the iced out... blinged up ones Rappers are wearing. Well yeah they're over compensating for being poor when/where they grew up. So there's that... I'm pretty sure overcompensation is never a good thing. I have the unfortunate displeasure of meeting some of these people in real life and let me tell you now, their egos are very fragile, happy on the surface, but there's a lot brewing underneath... anyway I digress.

End of the day. Who am I to judge? Just do what makes you happy. But honestly, don't please others. Wear watches for you and accept the flaws. You'll never find a perfect rep. And that's okay, you don't need to wear perfection. Wearing replicas for me has inspired me to buy gens as I can appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into the replica, and thus the genuine article is cut(s) above that.

Lastly, this wasn't targeted at you Pdatoon, was just general. But was your quote that made me think about this.

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Erinoush you're looking at macro pictures and making sweeping judgements. If your eyes are that good, I honestly suggest you contact the world records authority, and you can have a competition with a hawk. I'm telling you now, at arms distance/wrist distance. You're never going to have enough time to work out whether that watch is real or not.

Also, once again. Please, chill. Wait till we have more photos. The photos we currently have are not suitable to make huge statements. The pinion and hand-stack are large. We can see that, but again. Macro.

thx for the advise I ll think about it.
thank you also for all the lessons you give us with all your arrogance as you call it and of course with all your knowledge and deep expertise of the gens, because of course to my eyes you do have a lot of credit in comparing you reps with gens ;-)

 

[QueTip]

Erinoush you're looking at macro pictures and making sweeping judgements. If your eyes are that good, I honestly suggest you contact the world records authority, and you can have a competition with a hawk. I'm telling you now, at arms distance/wrist distance. You're never going to have enough time to work out whether that watch is real or not.

Also, once again. Please, chill. Wait till we have more photos. The photos we currently have are not suitable to make huge statements. The pinion and hand-stack are large. We can see that, but again. Macro.

I have eyes like that, legend has eyes like that and some others do as well. Don’t get too comfortable with your rep and your 'cocky or arrogant' attitude. Because you wouldn’t be able to call one if it was right in your face.

You better knock off that smart ass, know it all type of way you’re trying to establish here lately, you’re completely OFF and wrong. You didn’t get the point at all and you’re constantly contradicting yourself. Incase you haven’t noticed.

Don’t go on a leap assuming shit about others you 1-don’t know, 2- have no idea about and 3- that are none of your business.

 

[legend]

It's a combination of that. I think we have many members of the Instagram generation where they want to pose and show everyone how rich/successful they are. It's also levels of confidence. I think with enough confidence and lack of caring what others think, you could pull of a $100 DH Gate special (in real life). I mean I wouldn't because I have pride (that is one of my many flaws!) But I do actually have the confidence and I'm naturally a bullshitter so there's that.

I wouldn't tell the truth about my watches. But honestly, I've never been asked. I think that comes down to confidence. I'm not a badass let's get that clear, but I am cocky and arrogant. No-one in my life has ever had the balls to come up to me and ask me if a watch I'm wearing is genuine. They just assume it is. It's about how you carry yourself. But should someone ask me, I wouldn't tell the truth, I'd ask them a question back that they didn't like. Because when you think about it, asking someone that question is rude.

Essentially we're all wearing these watches for different reasons. Once you start realising nobody cares what you're wearing except you. You'll have a much better time. Stop trying to please others, please yourself. Life is a much better affair once you accept this. Bro-philosophy 101 is now in session. It's much cooler to wear your AP/ROLEX and never mention it, never post about it. Letting others notice it subtly, which isn't something you can fake. Nor should you. 95% of people will never say ANYTHING to you, positive or negative for various reasons. (their confidence, fears, knowledge, social etiquette)

AP is one of those brands I like because it is more unknown. I find Rolex too cheesy. Sure, some of the big AP RO's are certainly cheesy. And the iced out, blinged up ones Rappers are wearing. Well yeah they're over compensating for being poor when/where they grew up. So there's that... I'm pretty sure overcompensation is never a good thing. I have the unfortunate displeasure of meeting some of these people in real life and let me tell you now, their egos are very fragile. Happy on the surface, but there's a lot brewing underneath... anyway I digress.

End of the day. Who am I to judge? Just do what makes you happy. But honestly, don't please others. Wear watches for you and accept the flaws. You'll never find a perfect rep. And that's okay, you don't need to wear perfection. Wearing replicas for me has inspired me to buy gens as I can appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into the replica, and thus the genuine article is cut(s) above that.

Lastly, this wasn't targeted at you Pdatoon, was just general. But was your quote that made me think about this.

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Erinoush you're looking at macro pictures and making sweeping judgements. If your eyes are that good, I honestly suggest you contact the world records authority, and you can have a competition with a hawk. I'm telling you now, at arms distance/wrist distance. You're never going to have enough time to work out whether that watch is real or not.

Also, once again. Please, chill. Wait till we have more photos. The photos we currently have are not suitable to make huge statements. The pinion and hand-stack are large. We can see that, but again. Macro.

Whether you’re cocky or arrogant in real life, or humble and quiet, that’s your persona and that’s beyond the comments and judgement of anyone here.
But please don’t let that arrogance surface here J. There are guys here who have the capability, means, knowledge, skills and the premises to be even more arrogant and make even bolder statements. I consider myself and Quetip 2 of the guys in this rather insular group.
If Erinoush says he can spot certain flaws, I believe him. Don’t ridicule him or set the standards for everyone on what to comment or not comment on. If guys want to talk about the large hand base or color of dial or whatever, it’s their right and you are entitled of course to disagree, but not dictate them on what should be discussed and what shouldn’t or what passes as truth and what is rubbish.

Unlike you, I may not have very wealthy people whom I work for. On the flip side, I’m one of those guys whom private bankers and investment bankers serve personally, so maybe I don’t understand the brashness with which you speak of yourself.
Cockiness is not a monopoly you hold but there are others here we need to be considerate toward. I happen to like Erinoush’s contribution very much and I respect his opinion. If you are thinking of playing dictator in this section, there’s a few of us you may need to mow down on your way to the top as we are of the same opinion and I do not take kindly to any form of bullying and neither does QueTip.

Your opinion is valued and has the same weightage of any other member but kindly lay off the aggressive tone and insulting words toward other members.


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[Glock3ns]

End of the day, I think only true watch nerds and rep owners can only tell reps from gen. I've learn 99% of people can't tell a fake to real nor can they what is what. People only know the brand rolex because of how well they marketed their brand. I took out an old tag one day and had two people ask me if it was a rolex.

I was never going to get a rep ap but since that day I've realized no one knows shit and I'll get whatever I enjoy looking at. I buy my watches based on what I like, not trying to show people of my wealth status. There's friends that I know that have gen rolexs and they sometimes don't even refer to the model and just say they got a new rolex.

 

[Sonofalich]

I have eyes like that, legend has eyes like that and some others do as well. Don’t get too comfortable with your rep and your 'cocky or arrogant' attitude. Because you wouldn’t be able to call one if it was right in your face.

You better knock off that smart ass, know it all type of way you’re trying to establish here lately, you’re completely OFF and wrong. You didn’t get the point at all and you’re constantly contradicting yourself. Incase you haven’t noticed.

Don’t go on a leap assuming shit about others you 1-don’t know, 2- have no idea about and 3- that are none of your business.

Whether you’re cocky or arrogant in real life, or humble and quiet, that’s your persona and that’s beyond the comments and judgement of anyone here.
But please don’t let that arrogance surface here J. There are guys here who have the capability, means, knowledge, skills and the premises to be even more arrogant and make even bolder statements. I consider myself and Quetip 2 of the guys in this rather insular group.
If Erinoush says he can spot certain flaws, I believe him. Don’t ridicule him or set the standards for everyone on what to comment or not comment on. If guys want to talk about the large hand base or color of dial or whatever, it’s their right and you are entitled of course to disagree, but not dictate them on what should be discussed and what shouldn’t or what passes as truth and what is rubbish.

Unlike you, I may not have very wealthy people whom I work for. On the flip side, I’m one of those guys whom private bankers and investment bankers serve personally, so maybe I don’t understand the brashness with which you speak of yourself.
Cockiness is not a monopoly you hold but there are others here we need to be considerate toward. I happen to like Erinoush’s contribution very much and I respect his opinion. If you are thinking of playing dictator in this section, there’s a few of us you may need to mow down on your way to the top as we are of the same opinion and I do not take kindly to any form of bullying and neither does QueTip.

Your opinion is valued and has the same weightage of any other member but kindly lay off the aggressive tone and insulting words toward other members.

Fair enough. I don't mind anything you've said. You both make some valid points. The point I was trying to demonstrate was that I know these are flaws in my own personality. I accept them and I try to hold them back, unfortunately they obviously do slip into how I write and how I conduct myself. Quite often, it's my writing that lets me down and gets me into trouble, as you can't see how I say them. That's how I get away with things in real life, you can't see my smile. You don't have my tone on how to judge what I say.

It is hard writing on the topic I was discussing. That is why I deliberately said that I was cocky and arrogant. That wasn't me showing off, or bullying. These are character flaws that I try hard to fix. I was highlighting them because it's hard to write the things I was discussing without them flaring up. I was talking about egos and confidence, unfortunately these are interlinked with arrogance. They just go hand in hand.

I also said:

End of the day. Who am I to judge? Just do what makes you happy. But honestly, don't please others. Wear watches for you and accept the flaws. You'll never find a perfect rep. And that's okay, you don't need to wear perfection.

ie, do what makes you happy. That was one of main points in my message, but I admit it did get lost in my diatribe.

As for your eyes Que/Legend, I'm not questioning your judgement. In fact on the other AP thread, I poked fun of how you guys both knew your stuff to the absolute maximum. But don't be under the impression that is normal. You are abnormal for this level of knowledge and judgement. My point was that for 99.99% that do not have your ability nor experience then it's not getting called out in real world circumstances. People are not routinely looking in macro at you watch, nor for any more time than a glimpse. That said, I respect your opinion, in fact it's why I have conversations with you and take note of the flaws you highlight and discuss.

Know it all? I don't know it all, I'm here to learn. That comes about because of my tone (at least how it comes off anyway), which is a me problem. I get that.

I think people focus on the wrong things (myself included), it's easy to get stuck in a loop and constantly see the same glaring flaws and then become obsessed with minute details that really are not of concern to 99% of people I'm mainly trying to prevent people getting focused on tiny/minute problems that really should not concern them. But equally... I should take note of that, why do these things bother me and concern me that people are focused on them? Who knows. I've got too much time on my hands with lock-down and working from home it would seem! I will take my own advice and just not care so much about silly things that really have no real impact on me.

I admit I was wrong with my tone and also my dogmatic opinion, I will do better in the future. My apologies to Erinoush

 

[legend]

Hi J

We all have flaws in our personalities and both Q and I have been called more names than we care to count. I care about the regular and contributing members in this section and count Erinoush and Pdatoon among them. Pdatoon is also a personal friend of mine.

I generally do not comment on member personality but you seem to wear your “weaknesses” proudly, and speak of them as virtues rather than points to reflect upon and improve. It’s like me openly stating that I’m elitist, but I’m trying to improve on that. The point is that if I know I’m one, improving on it is something I do internally and not state openly with a challenging tone.

Of course you have your valid points sir. I agree with some points you raised about being pedantic of flaws which will not get seen in real life. Good points and valid without doubt. But to deliver your points with aggression and lace them with insults does not really win others over in your argument. When you get aggressive with others, I will step in if the other party is a friend or valued member like your good self, and you can be assured each time sir that I will bring the mighty calvary QueTip with me. If you learn to manage your own aggression, I’m sure that your points will be better taken. The point you raise about your smile not being seen etc applies to each of us fairly. When you’re bashing someone at the other end, have you also given due consideration to his feelings and thoughts?

There is a fine line between being a leader and a tyrant. You can choose to club all differing opinions into submission with brute force and you can be sure that the same will be done to you sir. It won’t end well for you. But I much prefer the alternative scenario where we can all get along and you do not act aggressively toward others and dictate on a thread what can be discussed and what cannot. I find that tyrannical and you can be sure I will not comply or be subordinate to such behavior or demands. Neither do I wish to see you bullying others again in the AP section please. Am I a section moderator? No sir I’m not. But do I have the necessary influence to lend the necessary weight to what I say? Yes sir I do. Never doubt that.

FYI I think that your points are in general rationally sound and accurate. But I’ve watched your aggression grow toward others and ive watched others shy away from confronting you. I do not care if you are cocky, arrogant or proud in real life, because like I said, you do not have monopoly over those traits in life sir. Some of us just learn to control these weaknesses better when interacting with others. And not everyone will back down from your cockiness. I much prefer to engage you in a discussion over watches and details than to discuss with you the meaningless topic of ego and pride in this forum. Like I mentioned you raised many good and valid points to others and I even liked those posts personally, but please do not seek to dominate this section with aggression and insults. If you try harder, I think we can all get along. I like the members here in general and I do not want to see them bullied into silence. If need be, I will always stand up and speak for them. And you can be sure sir that I’m never alone. You know that I cannot be doing this without the necessary support from those with the authority.

Let’s just get along with the guys J. You’re a good guy with excellent reasoning but please learn to express yourself more cordially to others here.


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[Erinoush]

I admit I was wrong with my tone and also my dogmatic opinion, I will do better in the future. My apologies to Erinoush

As discussed via PM, let us look forward and forget this misunderstanding. ara:

 

[QueTip]

And that's why RWI and especially the AP sub is such a magnificent place to be. We may be bickering and very uptight at times which will be very hard to swallow for some people visiting the sub but when shit hits the fan, we're always there for each other and most importantly help each other grow where we can.

There's been further PM exchange between all of us and everything has been thoroughly discussed.


Thanks for this guys. Now let's get this back to topic, shall we? :qtip2:

 

[Erinoush]

Hi J



.... It’s like me openly stating that I’m elitist, but I’m trying to improve on that. ....




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as long as you do not add a casioak to your collection I can't see why you are thinking you are elitist :hehehe:

 

[watcho]

It would be an exercise in redundance to attempt to reiterate or to even back up what legend, QueTip and Pdatoon have all said above. They can stand their ground on their own and don't need my contribution to act as their phalanx. Nonetheless, since they are personal friends, I can't stand down and be silent, just because they can defend the (our) fort on their own while I'm enjoying the comfort of a self imposed vacation from the forum. Their points are as valid as they come and one would be ill advised to contemplate going against them without experiencing some major flak.
Not long ago, I had a confrontation with Sonofalich on a somewhat bizzare issue. He intervened quite harshly and I had to shake myself off for a second, before I decided to go against his abresiveness.
To his credit though, he sent me a private message and I found it to be extremely polite and apologetic. It takes courage and a good heart to admit one's missteps. To me, Sonofalich seems to be the archtype for whom the forum creators have implemented the "PREVIEW" button. If he made use of that proactively, some of his posts, and this section for that matter, would benefit from that feature substantially. I think he is genuinely a good guy, but if he were in the US and I were the authority to grant him a firearm carry permit, I would probably go: "ehm... let me ponder about that for a minute!". I'm just kidding, bro. eacesign: On the other hand, my hunch tells me that, were we at war, he is one of those guys whom you want to have on your squad and he won't disappoint, even with a gun in his hands. :shooting:
I firmly believe that a majority of the comments on this forum would take a totally different turn, were they made in a real life setting, having your interlocutor sitting just across the table. This being said, I wish we applied a bit of self restraint in our comments and more respect and tolerance towards others, especially while enjoying somewhat of an anonymity. It takes more of a man to do that behind a keyboard, than in real life.
Just enjoy your hobby, guys and try to imagine for a second, preferably before you hit that "POST REPLY" button, that a lot of the people here might not be what and who you are tempted to think they are. Being considerate and humble are noble virtues and a scarce commodity nowadays. How about we start with exercising at least one of them, for a change?