Who can afford a gen?

[OiRogers]

.....there ain't no point in being all mouth and trousers if you can't back it

Holy Crap... I just swallowed a big sip of my favorite scotch without savoring and pee'd myself a little bit.
My throat hurts a bit and my pants are a bit damp... Damn you Neil, I must re-pants myself now.

And Jebus guys... relax. This, what you are currently reading, is an internet forum. Perhaps you've seen the photo with the *special* child running...
A couple of monthes back Neils comments would be annoying to me as well.. now I appreciate his point of view quite a bit more.... I can also respect him because he states his opinion and stands by it. I respect those who stand by their beliefs and opinions, that takes back-bone, something many many people sorely lack. If someone arguing with you on an internet forum gets under your skin, find a new place to hang out, its not worth stressing yourself out over someone you've never met in person (and most likely never will) and their differing opinions.
Everyone here is entitled to an opinion, and everyone else reserves the right to disagree with that opinion and state their own opinion of the subject at hand and of the person who posted the opinion to begin with. Repeat the prior sentece ad-naseum into the abyss and you have the formula for a very busy forum.

Perhaps it's just me but the tone of this board has turned quite nasty lately... I'm not enjoying it, I'm spending less and less time on the rep forums as of late as a result... its a shame. I love automatic watches (and manual winders as well), and wish to discuss them... the pissing matches between various members (not only in this thread, mind you) I can do without.

In response to the question of Gens and what we can afford... Many here, myself included, can make the decision to *afford* pretty much any Gen (with in reason of course.... the 500,000+USD extreme highend being an extreme case) they want too.... I've yet to find a rollie that the Gen strikes me as worth it... perhaps a Sub or SD at some point... but Why?... Omega divers speak to me much more... and much cheaper.
I'd love to acquire a Gen Ti Pam... but whats the point of spending that cash on one watch?.. the reps are 95%+ accurate and in all reality... if I don't go waving it in the face of everyone I meet, the odds of encountering anyone who can *call me out* for wearing a rep are exceptionally slim. In the end its all about what makes the individual happy. I personally *might* buy a Gen Omega PO or perhaps a 177 Pam because the ownership of the Gen would make me happy... but I could just as easy continue with my reps and still love them....

Yes, Gens are in my past, and gens are in my future... but buying a gen is very similar to buying a rep... save the correct amount of currency, locate the dealer, choose the watch, purchase it, down play the expense to the wife, enjoy wearing/owning/admiring the watch.
I choose to collect Reps (and gens) because the watches themselves appeal to me. I could give less than a sh*t what anyone else thinks of my watches... if they think I'm nuts for spending 200usd+ or 2000usd+ on a watch who cares?... If they think the Pam I wear is Farkin' Huge and Ugly, Who cares?... It makes me happy and at the end of the day... your own happiness is more important than what some schmuck thinks of you and your choice of accessories.

End of my .02cents... we all came here because we share a common passion, perhaps the trivial differences that seperate us should be set aside in an effort to continue the dialog we've had about watches (rep and gen). Dealer or collector, or somewhere in between... we all came here because watches appeal to us. (except the pr0n spammers, I hope they get cancer)


/end rant
/steps down from soapbox
/makes room for someone else

 

[Klink]

as perception is reality

different people look at the same thing and

see different things...

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14164

Life is Good!
Klink

 

[crick]

if you got the money to fork out for a 200K watch and keep it in a safe, why not? A man purchased a 1950's Patek Phillippe for 10K, had it repaired for 20K, sold it for several million. Some of the hardcore ritzy collectors do it as an investment. whereas a mercedes devalues over time, a fancy snazzy watch can go up in value to who knows whatever (unless you got em fancy one of a kidn mercedes! ).

So forking out money for a 10K watch doesnt seem all that unreal unless you're buying it while on welfare... thhen that just seems you have priority issues :roll:

anyways, i picked up a gen not too long ago :wink: looking forward to the mishap dings so i can scream "AW SHIT!"

looking forward to pass down my watch 20 years later to soemoen i love and care for.

still love my reps love watches in general so rep, gen, vintage, new, pocket watches - love em all

 

[TWP]

I think my problem is that I tend to agree with the over price argument. I do think the gens are way over priced and the watch does not justify the cost. Most are not solid gold you know. I think that most watch makers get their parts from the same manufacturers. I also think that most not all at the gen forum cant really afford the watches they have either. They either get a loan to buy or they spend money they have saved for something else. Then they have a smug attitude about it and look down on us. Maybe we are the smart ones after all.

Hmmm..seems to be that you are the expert of generalizations here....infact the majority of your statements are false.....not trying to piss you off......I would never want to piss of a Texan..here is genuine in solid gold...but the company must be lying about this...it can be yours for 50k? No paypal though...just western union...I'll have a lonestar on that.

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15555

 

[crick]

not to throw the thread off... but i like your avatar

 

[dawg]

I think my problem is that I tend to agree with the over price argument. I do think the gens are way over priced and the watch does not justify the cost. Most are not solid gold you know. I think that most watch makers get their parts from the same manufacturers. I also think that most not all at the gen forum cant really afford the watches they have either. They either get a loan to buy or they spend money they have saved for something else. Then they have a smug attitude about it and look down on us. Maybe we are the smart ones after all.

Hmmm..seems to be that you are the expert of generalizations here....infact the majority of your statements are false.....not trying to piss you off......I would never want to piss of a Texan..here is genuine in solid gold...but the company must be lying about this...it can be yours for 50k? No paypal though...just western union...I'll have a lonestar on that.

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15555

I never claimed I was an expert infact I am a N00b. If you read closer you would see that I was only looking for comments here and was willing to be led either way. I wanted to here the benefits of owning a gen opposed to a rep. If you see that as generlizing then so be it. also my gold comment has been taken way out of context.

 

[TWP]

not to throw the thread off... but i like your avatar

Thank-you.

now picking it back up.....all of this is about personal taste and desires....I could care less who wears a rep and who has a gen...or why I buy a gen...or the other guy buys a rep...put a gen on your wrist and you will appreciate the difference....if you do not than what can be said is that there is no appreciation at all...

...its irrevelant and pointless....some old American my dick is bigger than yours attitude......whatever..

 

[crick]

well in such a case, i would pickup gens (particularly of reps i really like) because its one way to show that i appreciate the company's efforts in making a great time piece. Secondly, i value what the history of that watches model, company, and what memories it can possibly carry.

ie: when my grandfather first came to the US from asia, he was rock bottom poor. But he always dreamed of being able to afford a house, car and knick knacks that say "look at me, i started dirt poor, but i'm well off now." One of those ways is watches. When you've made it, probably the first thing you do to show that you've got a nice cushy carreer or success is to buy a watch or jewelry or car.

My grandfather picked up a nice full gold quartz longines - it was what he could afford at the time. He wore it proudly everyday until he fell sick with cancer and passed away recently. He left it in my father's care and from my father down to me. So in a sense, it's a family heirloom.

Certainly it could have been a casio that grandpa loved and cared for years down the road and passed to my dad, but having it be a respectable longines makes a better story and holds more value

 

[dawg]

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[crick]

Also to be fair I dont think I am wrong about alot of gen buyers. I see people spend money they dont have all the time. Infact i just made a sale for 10k and the poor dude had to take out a bank loan to pay me. I didnt see him as being able to afford what he was buying but it was his decision to take out the loan. are you saying that all gen buyers are able to afford their wathces and i am totally wrong about my statement? I think not. also are you 100% sure you are right and I am wrong about watch prices being over priced on some not all models? I think you need to show more proof of your words before you step in and say someone is wrong about everything they say.

well, overprice is a personal opinion. I think gasoline is overpriced, but the folks in EU pay 6-7 dollars a gallon

at the same time, my '99 suzuki katana motorcycle is sitting in dad's garage collecting dust. I've been wanting to sell it and return the money to dad (as it was a b-day present) since i'm not riding it any longer. Dad doesn't want to sell it... says the $3-$4k from it is just "pocket change" to him.

so i'm sure someone looking at a 10K-20K watch will think "oOo i can afford that easily," while others (like me) could use that money to pay off some student loans LOL.

edit: i walked into SF's nieman marcus today... saw a realllllly thin silky blouse... real small, less material than a tanktop... asking price? $1500?!?! WTF

 

[dawg]

Epoch,

I think you are a great member of this board and i highly repect you. All I am looking for is proof that gen watches are not overpriced. I really think most are. SS models with eta movements that we can get in a rep going for 3k is a good price? I am not sure please teach me. All i want to know is that when the day comes to go to and ad and drop 5 grand I am getting my money's worth. I dont think anyone has brought proof to the table. Dont get me wrong i do understand that their are models out there worth thousands for sure. I am just talking about most gens on general. Crap there i go generalizing agin :lol:

 

[TWP]

I remember on of the administrators telling a story not long ago of a salesman taking out a loan to buy a geniune panerai to impress his clients. Now to me that is foolish, pathetic, and just plain stupid. The guy almost ruined his marriage in the process.

well in such a case, i would pickup gens (particularly of reps i really like) because its one way to show that i appreciate the company's efforts in making a great time piece. Secondly, i value what the history of that watches model, company, and what memories it can possibly carry.

This is one reason why I buy gens. Second, my sons will inherit some very nice watches once the reach certai goals that daddy has for them...like graduating from high school, college, getiing married, etc..gens that are well selected have a tendency to appreciate...like the 98 daytona that my father purchased for me....

 

[dawg]

Also to be fair I dont think I am wrong about alot of gen buyers. I see people spend money they dont have all the time. Infact i just made a sale for 10k and the poor dude had to take out a bank loan to pay me. I didnt see him as being able to afford what he was buying but it was his decision to take out the loan. are you saying that all gen buyers are able to afford their wathces and i am totally wrong about my statement? I think not. also are you 100% sure you are right and I am wrong about watch prices being over priced on some not all models? I think you need to show more proof of your words before you step in and say someone is wrong about everything they say.

well, overprice is a personal opinion. I think gasoline is overpriced, but the folks in EU pay 6-7 dollars a gallon

at the same time, my '99 suzuki katana motorcycle is sitting in dad's garage collecting dust. I've been wanting to sell it and return the money to dad (as it was a b-day present) since i'm not riding it any longer. Dad doesn't want to sell it... says the $3-$4k from it is just "pocket change" to him.

so i'm sure someone looking at a 10K-20K watch will think "oOo i can afford that easily," while others (like me) could use that money to pay off some student loans LOL.

edit: i walked into SF's nieman marcus today... saw a realllllly thin silky blouse... real small, less material than a tanktop... asking price? $1500?!?! WTF

Holy smoke Crick! I cry when i pay over 2 dollars a gallon. I dont see how you guys can afford to drive.

 

[crick]

I remember on of the administrators telling a story not long ago of a salesman taking out a loan to buy a geniune panerai to impress his clients. Now to me that is foolish, pathetic, and just plain stupid. The guy almost ruined his marriage in the process.

well in such a case, i would pickup gens (particularly of reps i really like) because its one way to show that i appreciate the company's efforts in making a great time piece. Secondly, i value what the history of that watches model, company, and what memories it can possibly carry.

This is one reason why I buy gens. Second, my sons will inherit some very nice watches once the reach certai goals that daddy has for them...like graduating from high school, college, getiing married, etc..gens that are well selected have a tendency to appreciate...like the 98 daytona that my father purchased for me....

Yes, specific watches are more likely to go up in value.

I've seen most omegas drop in value after purcahse. i've seen rollie seadwellers drop slightly, but rise in value every year afterwards (with the trend of rollie's annual price hike)... pUrty cool! maybe buy a 60K patek and wait 10 years to watch it appreciate in value.

 

[dawg]

I remember on of the administrators telling a story not long ago of a salesman taking out a loan to buy a geniune panerai to impress his clients. Now to me that is foolish, pathetic, and just plain stupid. The guy almost ruined his marriage in the process.

well in such a case, i would pickup gens (particularly of reps i really like) because its one way to show that i appreciate the company's efforts in making a great time piece. Secondly, i value what the history of that watches model, company, and what memories it can possibly carry.

This is one reason why I buy gens. Second, my sons will inherit some very nice watches once the reach certai goals that daddy has for them...like graduating from high school, college, getiing married, etc..gens that are well selected have a tendency to appreciate...like the 98 daytona that my father purchased for me....

There you go Epoch! All (WE) N00bs are asking is for you the experts is to teach us so we dont make the mistake that guy did. I guess in all my gibberish thats all i am looking for direction from people like you. I think there are alot of us here that would love to have direction from some of you thats why we bring up silly questions like this.

 

[crick]

Holy smoke Crick! I cry when i pay over 2 dollars a gallon. I dont see how you guys can afford to drive.

LOL i live in San Francisco! i probably pay what you pay

but i dont, cuz i sold my car! my work is 20 min walk from home. I tell yah, no gas fees, no insurance fees, no car fees... frees up a lot of money for reps LOL i meant for the g/f! money for the g/f to make her happy of course.

been car free for 5 years now, it's awesome if i have to fly somewhere, catch the train to the airport. Family visits? no prob! rent a car love it!

now back on topic: watches blah blah blah! watches blah blah blah!

 

[dawg]

Holy smoke Crick! I cry when i pay over 2 dollars a gallon. I dont see how you guys can afford to drive.

LOL i live in San Francisco! i probably pay what you pay

but i dont, cuz i sold my car! my work is 20 min walk from home. I tell yah, no gas fees, no insurance fees, no car fees... frees up a lot of money for reps LOL i meant for the g/f! money for the g/f to make her happy of course.

been car free for 5 years now, it's awesome if i have to fly somewhere, catch the train to the airport. Family visits? no prob! rent a car love it!

now back on topic: watches blah blah blah! watches blah blah blah!

Crick that does sound great! I wish i could do that but i travel for a living. I drive alot of miles each week. I often dream how it would be to never have to drive again. I know that sounds crazy but when you drive 1000 miles a week it sux.

 

[crick]

Holy smoke Crick! I cry when i pay over 2 dollars a gallon. I dont see how you guys can afford to drive.

LOL i live in San Francisco! i probably pay what you pay

but i dont, cuz i sold my car! my work is 20 min walk from home. I tell yah, no gas fees, no insurance fees, no car fees... frees up a lot of money for reps LOL i meant for the g/f! money for the g/f to make her happy of course.

been car free for 5 years now, it's awesome if i have to fly somewhere, catch the train to the airport. Family visits? no prob! rent a car love it!

now back on topic: watches blah blah blah! watches blah blah blah!

Crick that does sound great! I wish i could do that but i travel for a living. I drive alot of miles each week. I often dream how it would be to never have to drive again. I know that sounds crazy but when you drive 1000 miles a week it sux.

aggghh when i used to do delivery, i was constantly in a truck down in LA on the 10 or the 5 and traffic and smog... ugh.

walking is great, always outdoors - really makes you take things easy... maybe that's why SF's so lax on everything.

 

[TWP]

Boarding school + ivy league education=

 

[hooligan]

Tried on a Breit Chrono Avenger and a PAM183 at the local ADs over the weekend. After we close on the townhouse and pay off a little debt one of those bad boys is mine! I'm really leaning toward the Breitling, actually. Blasphemy, I know.

Next after that it'll be a PAM000 or the 183.