Which Pam should I buy?

[MMs]

the 177l is pretty fantastic.
incredible case, dial, cg, cb, cp, all those abbreviations!
they stuck that sort of sub-par movement in a very, very nice package, and for
a very nice price to boot, I love mine, can't wait to get it back from Katt.

 

[Epimetheus]

the 177l is pretty fantastic.
incredible case, dial, cg, cb, cp, all those abbreviations!
they stuck that sort of sub-par movement in a very, very nice package, and for
a very nice price to boot, I love mine, can't wait to get it back from Katt.

That sounds great!
I´ll order mine tomorrow.

Do you know anything about the Daylight?
Lets say I buy a Daylight as well along with the PAM177.
What movement should I go with?
The 7750 or the 7753? There´s a $120 price difference between them!
Is the 7753 worth the extra $120?

 

[MMs]

yes, the 7753 is worth the difference. I just bought a daylight too, I opted for
a white faced one, I love the white faced pams. I originally wanted the 118h, but
the 251k is actually much closer to gen, so I went with that.

the old 7750 version has many things inferior to it, and it'll never really be able
to match the quality of the 7753 version. I'd say it's worth every penny for the
price difference. I think lay has them at $308 each on strap and $328 each on
the incredible band they come with. Get the stainless steel band!

the 7753 factory made an all new band that the gen ss band Panerai owners say
is 99.9% indistinguishable from the gen band. if you don't like it, sell it. it's worth
far more than the $20 extra it'll cost you.

I see you're looking at the black faced ones... I strongly suggest the 236k, sell the band
if you don't like it to someone like me below is a comparison for your assessment:

It's been awhile since I did a review and this one was pretty hard to do. Honestly as I was uploading pics I could not tell which was the rep and gen :lol: ...this rep is that good. Thankfully I didn't mod the crown pin as it was a good give away however once this easy mod is done it's going to be a killer. This watch and the 188 came from my buddy Toro (btw - super fast shipment, great service and QC ) but all the other dealers Josh, Andrew, Sead, etc...sell this watch.

The 236 or 250 (without ss bracelet) is one of my favourite pams. I was fortunate to pick up a gen earlier this year. The version I have is the "i" which I believe was released 2005/6 and the rep (that is being compared) is the "k" version which was released in 2009.

The biggest difference from gen "i" and "k" are the following;

- the 236i has lug cut outs as seen in this pic

- the 236k does not have lug cut outs however it has lug/bar quick snap pusher as seen in this pic

- of course the 236i does not have roller lever and the k does


Now that we know the differences between the "i" and "k" let's move on to the comparison between the REP "k" version vs. the GEN "i" version. Please note the gen is always on the left and rep is on the right.

Looks pretty close...3 very minor items 1) the lever pin on the rep could be flatten...a very easy fix 2) the DW on the gen is a tad bolder 3) silver pin color on the subdial on the gen and black on the rep

The crystal on the rep has a very slightly purple tint.

The cg and crown looks pretty good

The caseback - the engraving could be shaper and deeper

The side date adjuster

How flush is the DW you ask...please judge for yourself
It's about a hairline difference from the gen. IMO it's great and no one can tell - even with both on hand to compare.

The bracelet

Wrist shot

Overall -IMO this is the best out of the box pam out there and for the price it's a no brainer. I'll get the CP flatten/polished soon and besides that it's all it needs.

Thanks for looking guys :cowboy:

Random side by side pics (Try to guess which one is gen)

Family pics (missing 251 and 196 )

and I'm pretty sure they fixed the one glaring problem on the rep:
the chrono hands, where they attach to their shafts, should be silver, not painted black.
I think the newest reps they factories have released have this silver, as per gen.
super fantastic rep, I love my daylight.

 

[Epimetheus]

yes, the 7753 is worth the difference. I just bought a daylight too, I opted for
a white faced one, I love the white faced pams. I originally wanted the 118h, but
the 251k is actually much closer to gen, so I went with that.

the old 7750 version has many things inferior to it, and it'll never really be able
to match the quality of the 7753 version. I'd say it's worth every penny for the
price difference. I think lay has them at $308 each on strap and $328 each on
the incredible band they come with. Get the stainless steel band!

the 7753 factory made an all new band that the gen ss band Panerai owners say
is 99.9% indistinguishable from the gen band. if you don't like it, sell it. it's worth
far more than the $20 extra it'll cost you.

Thanks.
Is this the one? http://www.replicamake.com/product_info.php?cPath=78_108&products_id=2063

I don´t seem to find the strap update, though.

Is this the same watch?

http://s918.photobucket.com/albums/...daylights Asia7753 with Functional Regulator/

 

[MMs]

This is the 236k on Lay's site

your link was the proper 196, I'd go with the bracelet in the above link though.

this is the right one from Hont.
236k 7753 new daylight factory.

 

[Epimetheus]

This is the 236k on Lay's site

your link was the proper 196, I'd go with the bracelet in the above link though.

this is the right one from Hont.
236k 7753 new daylight factory.

I don´t get it...
The one in my link, is that another watch? Not the same model?
Does Hont have the 236K? Do you have a link to it?

Hmmm... Maybe I´ll order the 236K first and then the 177.
Or I´ll just order them both at the same time.

 

[MMs]

I don´t get it...
The one in my link, is that another watch? Not the same model?
Does Hont have the 236K? Do you have a link to it?

Hmmm... Maybe I´ll order the 236K first and then the 177.
Or I´ll just order them both at the same time.

different dials on the 196 or the 236/250. 196 has big numbers.
hmmm, k, let's go this route:


breakdown:

196 (gen):
Model: Luminor Chrono Daylight
Production Years: 2004-2006
Movement: Calibre OP XII
Power Reserve: 46 hours
Water Resistance: 100m
Dial Color: Black
Bezel: Polished Steel
Case: Brushed Steel
Caseback: Solid
Crown Protector: Yes
Crystal: 2.5mm Sapphire
Diameter: 44mm
Strap/Bracelet: Alligator
Lug Width: 24mm
Reference Number: PAM196 PAM00196


236:
Model: Luminor Chrono Daylight
Production Years: 2006-2008
Movement: Calibre OP XII
Power Reserve: 46 hours
Water Resistance: 100m
Dial Color: White
Bezel: Brushed Steel
Case: Brushed Steel
Caseback: Solid
Crown Protector: Yes
Crystal: 2.5mm Sapphire
Diameter: 44mm
Strap/Bracelet: Steel
Lug Width: 24mm
Reference Number: PAM236 PAM00236

250:
Model: Luminor Chrono Daylight
Production Years: 2006-Current
Movement: Calibre OP XII
Power Reserve: 46 hours
Water Resistance: 100m
Dial Color: Black
Bezel: Brushed Steel
Case: Brushed Steel
Caseback: Solid
Crown Protector: Yes
Crystal: 2.5mm Sapphire
Diameter: 44mm
Strap/Bracelet: Alligator
Lug Width: 24mm
Reference Number: PAM250 PAM00250


196h:

$308 from Lay

notice how 9 numbers are on the dial. polished bezel. on alligator.
and possibly the subdial at 6 does not have lumed numbers?

236k:

$328 from Lay

this dial has indices that replace the numbers, and has the minute numbers. brushed bezel. ss band.

250k:

$308 from Lay

same head as the 236k, just on a different strap

and sorry, but no, these are not on Hont's website, maybe he has them posted here in
he section, not sure about that...

 

[Epimetheus]

Thank you MMs!
So it´s the 177l and the 236k that I should buy?
Do you know if Hont has the 236k?
He owe me some money so I would like to buy from him.

So this is the one that I should buy? (The black on stainless steel bracelet.)

 

[MMs]

yes, hont has it.

that picture I linked is the 236k, the one with his logos on it.

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/...ia7753 with Functional Regulator/_DSC0061.jpg

^there is the direct link for the picture Hont provided.
just send him that link and he should know what you want.
just write:
new daylight factory 236k (ss band) 7753 movement

he should know exactly what you mean.

other one is the 177l:
288k factory new 177l titanium on rubber

link to his photobucket page for the 177l

 

[Epimetheus]

yes, hont has it.

that picture I linked is the 236k, the one with his logos on it.

http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/...ia7753 with Functional Regulator/_DSC0061.jpg

^there is the direct link for the picture Hont provided.
just send him that link and he should know what you want.
just write:
new daylight factory 236k (ss band) 7753 movement

he should know exactly what you mean.

other one is the 177l:
288k factory new 177l titanium on rubber

link to his photobucket page for the 177l

Now I get it!
Thank you for your patience.

 

[MMs]

:bbq:

 

[Epimetheus]

I´ve placed the order now.
But I couldn´t hold myself from ordering both the 177L and the 236K.

 

[kdo2milger]

I´ve placed the order now.
But I couldn´t hold myself from ordering both the 177L and the 236K.

crap!

good choice man!

they are both in my basket on lays site... i need to hurry up and get payed!

 

[Mambo]

Excellent choice Epimetheus, enjoy ....

 

[Epimetheus]

Thanks man.
I ordered both mine from Hont, though. (Just using Lay´s pic as it was the best...)

 

[MMs]

they're amazing watches, you'll be happy.

 

[Epimetheus]

I want both the 177 and 236

Me to, so I´ve ordered them both.
I couldn´t choose between them.
I should get QC pics any day now.

 

[kdo2milger]

Me to, so I´ve ordered them both.
I couldn´t choose between them.
I should get QC pics any day now.

:excited: please share qc pics

 

[Epimetheus]

:excited: please share qc pics

I will.
I´m quite exited myself, these are my first Pam´s!