I spent the weekend in vegas with friends and really got some serious wrist watch overload at all the shops. I did order a pam 424 w/C3 movement from Sead. I got to hold and examine several pams, rolex s and Omegas and that's when I realized that a new or very good pre-owned 45 mm PO ocean orange was not out of reach if I just act conservatively here and there. I think out of all my reps I find the orange PO to my favorite and most disappointing rep of all mostly because of the crown failings. I just don't know I think I will be spending a lot of time studying the genuine versions of this watch.