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VSF: Which watch do you want replicated?

JMMC

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If I rememnber well , SF tried to replicate hour only adjustment a few moths ago.
Unfortunately acording to videos uploaded, it was not very reliable, it was more a joke than a true "hour only adjustment", so not a big deal at the moment.
 

mysterio

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If I rememnber well , SF tried to replicate hour only adjustment a few moths ago.
Unfortunately acording to videos uploaded, it was not very reliable, it was more a joke than a true "hour only adjustment", so not a big deal at the moment.

SF didn't replicate the movement. To be more precise, JF was the first to use the P9000 clone function movement Sep 2015 with their versions of the PAM616 and the PAM569. SF did release a PAM328 and a PAM 382 in middle of last year using the same movement. Technically, neither JF nor SF owns the movement. It was initially a project by the Noob factory to create a P9000 clone but abandoned it. Fortunately the movement factory perservered and finished the movement however had a hard time afterwards selling the new movement to the watch factories who were content to use the existing A7750 and ST-2555 decorative plated movements in their P9000 reps. Then JF came along and used it. The rest is history. :) It may not be perfect (I have not read enough on the inconsistency issues on the function itself but the movement did introduce a new issue in the subdial placement) but it was a step towards copying the P9000 at least in function (visually it's not accurate as the balance wheel is @9).

By the same token, we're not completely sure if VSF indeed made the P9000 or Rattrapante movements or a movement factory produced them but VSF has exclusivity. Time will tell. Now if someone were to combine the P9000 visually correct movement with the P9000 function clone and produce something that is both accurate and reliable, we would have a revolution in our hands. ;)
 

bangsters

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SF didn't replicate the movement. To be more precise, JF was the first to use the P9000 clone function movement Sep 2015 with their versions of the PAM616 and the PAM569. SF did release a PAM328 and a PAM 382 in middle of last year using the same movement. Technically, neither JF nor SF owns the movement. It was initially a project by the Noob factory to create a P9000 clone but abandoned it. Fortunately the movement factory perservered and finished the movement however had a hard time afterwards selling the new movement to the watch factories who were content to use the existing A7750 and ST-2555 decorative plated movements in their P9000 reps. Then JF came along and used it. The rest is history. :) It may not be perfect (I have not read enough on the inconsistency issues on the function itself but the movement did introduce a new issue in the subdial placement) but it was a step towards copying the P9000 at least in function (visually it's not accurate as the balance wheel is @9).

By the same token, we're not completely sure if VSF indeed made the P9000 or Rattrapante movements or a movement factory produced them but VSF has exclusivity. Time will tell. Now if someone were to combine the P9000 visually correct movement with the P9000 function clone and produce something that is both accurate and reliable, we would have a revolution in our hands. ;)
Thanks for the insight.

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mysterio

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Thanks for the insight.

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Actually I vaguely remember JF coming out with the P9000 clone movement reps first, SF I knew just released last year because I was interested in the new PAM328 and its accompanying bracelet. The story on how the movement came about I just dug up from Angus' post announcing the JF watches. :)
 

bangsters

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Actually I vaguely remember JF coming out with the P9000 clone movement reps first, SF I knew just released last year because I was interested in the new PAM328 and its accompanying bracelet. The story on how the movement came about I just dug up from Angus' post announcing the JF watches. :)
Thanks. Btw is the 328 discontinued? I cannot find it in panerai's website.

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mysterio

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Thanks. Btw is the 328 discontinued? I cannot find it in panerai's website.

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Yes, it is no longer in the Panerai website. Maybe somebody thought "Who came up with the bright idea of putting a steel bracelet on a PAM and selling it as another model number? We're going to lose revenue selling the damn bracelets separately." :lol: But then both the PAM352 and PAM351 are still there. My guess on it is they want to push the PAM01312 so they will probably discontinue the bracelet on the PAM00312 and sell a new one for the PAM01312 (but not sell it as a PAM01328 because of potential lost revenue).
 

Fin

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662 and 663 broke my heart. Cant wait to get these package.

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Never seen these before. Would definitely pick up a rep of either.