Jayalvin777
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I had a noob sub and zzf in the past and I can say that the feel and finishing of the vsf is way better. Can't speak about arf as I never had one. It is nice and soft. Finishing is amazing as well.
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VSF VS3135 Submariner Comparison Against the Gen
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I had a noob sub and zzf in the past and I can say that the feel and finishing of the vsf is way better. Can't speak about arf as I never had one. It is nice and soft. Finishing is amazing as well.
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Well you are the peanut butter to my jelly. Lmao. I really need to learn how do this work myself too.
Totally agree about the bracelet... it has so much to do with how it looks and feels. I was just PMing with another member asking me about Frankens. Number one thing overlooked is the bracelet. Not only does it have so much to do with feel, but it also occupies more space than the watch head. Ignoring the bracelet is like going to a [insert formal occasion here] and getting a new haircut and tapering your beard but wearing an off the rack suit without getting tailored.
My zzf bracelet felt tinny and sharp was broken within 2 weeks. Definitely cheapens the whole watch
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Tete
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my Arf Op39 bracelet is almost perfect, it has no sharp edges and it feels very gen. The one on my ARF Dj41 Oyster is sharp as a knife and doesn't have the same feel. My Noob V6 and V7 bracelets don't have a good finish but they feel heavier and more robust. The ones on my old Zzf v2s were very similar to Arf Dj41, a bit sharp. And waiting for the VSF to arrive at my house. I believe that not only the factory influences but also the batches and the operator or machine that has manufactured it.
I also have an Ewf jubilee bracelet that I exchange with arf Dj41, it looks good but feels cheap with little weight and very very sharp
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I 100% agree. I don't see how this could possibly not be true. Now how *much* variation, I don't know.
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7five7
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That would suck. I currently have my VSF getting a Gen Bezel installed so I hope that’s not the case!
I tried installing the ARF bracelet but did not have any luck. The spring bars would not engage properly and the SEL recess was off.
Bloody EMS! The status of my watch has been "handed over to the airline transport" for 9 days. It's a 9 HOUR flight to AUS. I dont' think it's left the ground, yet. The waiting game is painful. VSF 3135 v2 will be out soon!... 
Bloody EMS! The status of my watch has been "handed over to the airline transport" for 9 days. It's a 9 HOUR flight to AUS. I dont' think it's left the ground, yet. The waiting game is painful. VSF 3135 v2 will be out soon!...
Should arrive to Aus soon. Took mine 9 days after “handed over to airlines” to land in Sydney.
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Well report back when you find anything out! To the best of my knowledge, the person that told me that only tried with the bezel and not full bezel assembly. And it was in comparison to ARF. Again, not sure what exactly he meant by "not a great fit." As I had mentioned, there is a language barrier sometimes (he's Chinese).
Did you try different spring bars? Sometimes that is actually the solution.
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I did try different spring bars, tried ARF and VSF spring bars which were a no go. Then tried some spare spring bars I had laying around but they are way to thin, everything engaged properly but SEL was way to loose.
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Ah, may need to swap sels then. Do you feel the ARF is much better than VSF bracelet?
Just received mine today and have to say VSF have set the
standard for Subc reps.
A few observations from handling both reps and gens of this model over the years.
What they have done well are finishing details like bracelet edge polishing(very first rep I don’t have to refinish sharp edges)
The clasp is very well finished too and the first in my eyes to really nail the smooth edge bevelling on the closer and clasp main body.
Case profile from lug to crown guard is excellent. Maybe the gap around the crown within the guards could be al little wider.
The insert is superb and the best rep I’ve seen so far and much better than Clean’s especially in low light. I’ve included some pics to show.
The crystal black hole effect is excellent and not far away from gen at all. Crystal edge profile is not the best sadly as it’s too sharp angled creating a strange edge distortion but it’s not massively noticeable in the scheme of things
Ignore the date as I’m a day out of sync!
Sels are nicely recessed and shaped although they do stick out a little too much and should have a more downward curved angle into the first link like ARF do so well. Bracelet needs cleaning and oiling but afterwards it feels good and not overly light or flimsy.
Dw is a fraction thicker than gen but it’s not far off the pre2015 datewheels.
The dial is very good with a perfect centre dimple. Hands are better in the flesh than some say but I do agree that ZZF’s hands are better. Lume is a very nice colour and strong when charged.
This is a great Sub at a great price and I don’t see anyone beating it any time soon. I hope they move onto the new 2020 series!
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standard for Subc reps.
A few observations from handling both reps and gens of this model over the years.
What they have done well are finishing details like bracelet edge polishing(very first rep I don’t have to refinish sharp edges)
The clasp is very well finished too and the first in my eyes to really nail the smooth edge bevelling on the closer and clasp main body.
Case profile from lug to crown guard is excellent. Maybe the gap around the crown within the guards could be al little wider.
The insert is superb and the best rep I’ve seen so far and much better than Clean’s especially in low light. I’ve included some pics to show.
The crystal black hole effect is excellent and not far away from gen at all. Crystal edge profile is not the best sadly as it’s too sharp angled creating a strange edge distortion but it’s not massively noticeable in the scheme of things
Ignore the date as I’m a day out of sync!
Sels are nicely recessed and shaped although they do stick out a little too much and should have a more downward curved angle into the first link like ARF do so well. Bracelet needs cleaning and oiling but afterwards it feels good and not overly light or flimsy.
Dw is a fraction thicker than gen but it’s not far off the pre2015 datewheels.
The dial is very good with a perfect centre dimple. Hands are better in the flesh than some say but I do agree that ZZF’s hands are better. Lume is a very nice colour and strong when charged.
This is a great Sub at a great price and I don’t see anyone beating it any time soon. I hope they move onto the new 2020 series!
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Great pictures, great watch. Waiting for mine too and thinking of buying a VSF LV also...
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Couldn’t agree more. Very nice review [mention]Substar [/mention]. It’s well written comments/reviews/thoughts such as yours that make this forum a great place for all watch enthusiasts.
I’m very excited VSF is in the Rolex game and look forward to what is to come.
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Substar, nice summary and I’d agree with all the points you made. They are all the bits I liked about the watch myself. The winding of the movement was really nice too ?.
It felt well engineered all round. The turn of the bezel, unscrewing the crown, the winding and setting of the movement, The clasp opening and closing. If they improve the hands and the DW and maybe the rehaut I’ll snap one up again. A friend took mine off my hands, he likes it very much.
Untill then I’m done with 6 digit sub reps (as I was before ZZF released v1)
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It felt well engineered all round. The turn of the bezel, unscrewing the crown, the winding and setting of the movement, The clasp opening and closing. If they improve the hands and the DW and maybe the rehaut I’ll snap one up again. A friend took mine off my hands, he likes it very much.
Untill then I’m done with 6 digit sub reps (as I was before ZZF released v1)
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