VSF Upcoming Datejust 126334 with VS3235 72hrs Power Reserve

[exilen]

DW no. Crystal i can see a very very small difference when I look at my VSF one vs gen one, depend of you but if it was me, I won't change crystal. And the dial, a gen dial is clearly a very good update to the VSF, because the difference is day and night.

So you would say that the dial is the only thing that needs to be replaced and it would look super indistinguish from gen?

Then dw is off the list if there is bot difference.


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[MambaMentality60]

So you would say that the dial is the only thing that needs to be replaced and it would look super indistinguish from gen?

Then dw is off the list if there is bot difference.


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I would say gen dial would be the first thing to get in franken route. Afterwards you do whatever you want, everyone has different perspective and ocds.
Personally for me, rep hands are always a tell but to another it could be cyclops halo effect or fluted bezel color. The latter 2 I dont really care too much about but as I said, everyone has different views and preferences. Enjoy!

I will post my approved QCs of the smooth bezel blue jubilee once I get from PT.

 

[exilen]

I would say gen dial would be the first thing to get in franken route. Afterwards you do whatever you want, everyone has different perspective and ocds.
Personally for me, rep hands are always a tell but to another it could be cyclops halo effect or fluted bezel color. The latter 2 I dont really care too much about but as I said, everyone has different views and preferences. Enjoy!

I will post my approved QCs of the smooth bezel blue jubilee once I get from PT.

I’m trying to build one, But due the budget I try to only change the must-have parts that makes almost impossible to tell compared to gen


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[Akilles]

Buy the VSF with a good QC and you are 99,5% safe I would say. On some members it sounds like they bump in to Rolex ADs every day that will inspect their watch with a macro.

Rolex changes DW thickness, hands and dial layout and even dial color slightly every now and then. No normal people remember all this.

If you going to franken your watch it should be for your own sake. If you are affraid that some will spot your rep save and buy gen because there is always a 0,01% possibilty that some will, how much you franken it.

On my gen submariner I first took noticed on details when reading about it here. Would never think about SELs, CG, serial spacing otherwise.

 

[MambaMentality60]

exilen Rep will always be a rep bro, no matter how good the franken is. Just enjoy what you have or whatever gen parts you can afford to franken the watch, then call it a day. (Then sell it on m2m once you realize it will never be gen lol)

 

[Bobi01]

Buy the VSF with a good QC and you are 99,5% safe I would say. On some members it sounds like they bump in to Rolex ADs every day that will inspect their watch with a macro.

Rolex changes DW thickness, hands and dial layout and even dial color slightly every now and then. No normal people remember all this.

If you going to franken your watch it should be for your own sake. If you are affraid that some will spot your rep save and buy gen because there is always a 0,01% possibilty that some will, how much you franken it.

On my gen submariner I first took noticed on details when reading about it here. Would never think about SELs, CG, serial spacing otherwise.

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[Jayalvin777]

For what is worth some weirdo stole a picture of my vsf blue dial that I posted here or on reddit dont remember where it was but then he shared my picture on the rolex subrredit and absolutely no one noticed that it was a rep until i wrote in a comment and asked the picture to be taken down. That shows how good this vsf reps are and that 99% of gen owners dont have the knowledge that people on rwi possess.

 

[YellowFin]

For what is worth some weirdo stole a picture of my vsf blue dial that I posted here or on reddit dont remember where it was but then he shared my picture on the rolex subrredit and absolutely no one noticed that it was a rep until i wrote in a comment and asked the picture to be taken down. That shows how good this vsf reps are and that 99% of gen owners dont have the knowledge that people on rwi possess.

On top of that even RWI members will have different levels of acceptability. In case of the VSF DJ41, my personal view is:

step 1. from 2m away (other side of the table): OOTB is good enough
step 2. at arm's length: indistinguishable from gen with R factory dial, crystal and bezel (or plating)
step 3. in hand and at small magnification 3x-5x: indistinguishable from gen with mods in 2. + R factory hands and crown
step 4. watchmaker inspection: get a gen

 

[johnlogan]

Ordered on 18th Feb from PT but havent received any QCs. Switched my order to Smooth bezel today and now I hope I can get my QC quicker lol.

PT is OOS on this model.

 

[Venniz]

So you would say that the dial is the only thing that needs to be replaced and it would look super indistinguish from gen?

Then dw is off the list if there is bot difference.


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Bezel, hands and dial gen. After that you won't see the difference. Well I won't.

Edit : Look at YellowFin post. I agree what he said.

 

[exilen]

exilen Rep will always be a rep bro, no matter how good the franken is. Just enjoy what you have or whatever gen parts you can afford to franken the watch, then call it a day. (Then sell it on m2m once you realize it will never be gen lol)

That is true bro. I am looking to franken a bit, But trying to minimalize the cost. So trying to only change parts that actually makes a Huge difference, like e.g. ARF dw


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[exilen]

Buy the VSF with a good QC and you are 99,5% safe I would say. On some members it sounds like they bump in to Rolex ADs every day that will inspect their watch with a macro.

Rolex changes DW thickness, hands and dial layout and even dial color slightly every now and then. No normal people remember all this.

If you going to franken your watch it should be for your own sake. If you are affraid that some will spot your rep save and buy gen because there is always a 0,01% possibilty that some will, how much you franken it.

On my gen submariner I first took noticed on details when reading about it here. Would never think about SELs, CG, serial spacing otherwise.

Considering on gen dial swap, But not sure if I should take dw too. Any opinion?


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[exilen]

On top of that even RWI members will have different levels of acceptability. In case of the VSF DJ41, my personal view is:

step 1. from 2m away (other side of the table): OOTB is good enough
step 2. at arm's length: indistinguishable from gen with R factory dial, crystal and bezel (or plating)
step 3. in hand and at small magnification 3x-5x: indistinguishable from gen with mods in 2. + R factory hands and crown
step 4. watchmaker inspection: get a gen

Sounds like a gen dial and crystal would be a must change as how you Are saying. What about dw? Would you say gen hands is must on gen dial swap? For matching lume?


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[Akilles]

Considering on gen dial swap, But not sure if I should take dw too. Any opinion?


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I think by the time you have decided, like in 4 month or so... there will be newer versions of DJ and you will have to start all over again...

I am buying the VSF DJ as it is and have no plan to mod it at all, that's my opinion.

 

[Hinclimincli]

Sounds like a gen dial and crystal would be a must change as how you Are saying. What about dw? Would you say gen hands is must on gen dial swap? For matching lume?


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I would be careful with these. It's just an opinion/personal view, as he said. I'll give you another opinion, so you have more to choose from:

No, a genuine dial and a genuine crystal are most certainly not a must. Same with the datewheel or hands. You are talking about more than a thousand dollars there, for a toy watch. Plus, the quality level of this precise model is so high that the marginal benefit you will get is irrelevant (again, in my opinion). Before spending that amount of money (and time), bear in mind what do you want to accomplish by swapping rep parts for genuine:

1. Is it so people think it's a genuine watch? Trust me, they will think it's a genuine right out of the box. This is not a crappy canal street fake bought from a stall. And the ones that would be able to tell it's not gen, won't get fooled either, even with a gen dial/hands/crystal, etc.

2. Is it to make you feel it's really close to the genuine thing? Well, fine, but you of anyone know that it's not the genuine thing, so what's the point?

3. "Because it just looks better". Again, opinions, opinions. This is a watch freaks forum, you will always have someone saying that these hands have the wrong lume, the bracelet is a bit rattly, the crown guards aren't exactly like the genuine, the markers don't shine as much, the font isn't as crisp as it should be, etc. Just be aware of how much will you spend on that improvement and be aware that it might not be the massive improvement people say it is. In fact, you could probably buy another great watch with that money instead.

Or maybe you have a tree in your garden that grows money, in which case I'd say buy what you want, swap what you want, or even buy a genuine watch. But no, this watch doesn't "need" any genuine parts out of the box (unlike some other watches that really improve with some genuine parts *cough! arfdatewheelsucksquitealot *cough!)

Anyways, do what you want, it's your time & money, whatever you do I'm sure it will be fine. I just thought I would offer a different perspective just in case ;-)

 

[YellowFin]

3. "Because it just looks better". Again, opinions, opinions. This is a watch freaks forum, you will always have someone saying that these hands have the wrong lume, the bracelet is a bit rattly, the crown guards aren't exactly like the genuine, the markers don't shine as much, the font isn't as crisp as it should be, etc. Just be aware of how much will you spend on that improvement and be aware that it might not be the massive improvement people say it is. In fact, you could probably buy another great watch with that money instead.

Or maybe you have a tree in your garden that grows money, in which case I'd say buy what you want, swap what you want, or even buy a genuine watch.

Valid point, my gen dial cost as much as two VSF DJs. Luckily, I have that tree you mentioned growing right behind the house. Or maybe I'm just insane.

 

[Hinclimincli]

Valid point, my gen dial cost as much as two VSF DJs. Luckily, I have that tree you mentioned growing right behind the house. Or maybe I'm just insane.

Hahaha, lucky you! Also, bear in mind these aren't mutually exclusive, maybe you are insane AND have that amazing tree!

 

[exilen]

I would be careful with these. It's just an opinion/personal view, as he said. I'll give you another opinion, so you have more to choose from:

No, a genuine dial and a genuine crystal are most certainly not a must. Same with the datewheel or hands. You are talking about more than a thousand dollars there, for a toy watch. Plus, the quality level of this precise model is so high that the marginal benefit you will get is irrelevant (again, in my opinion). Before spending that amount of money (and time), bear in mind what do you want to accomplish by swapping rep parts for genuine:

1. Is it so people think it's a genuine watch? Trust me, they will think it's a genuine right out of the box. This is not a crappy canal street fake bought from a stall. And the ones that would be able to tell it's not gen, won't get fooled either, even with a gen dial/hands/crystal, etc.

2. Is it to make you feel it's really close to the genuine thing? Well, fine, but you of anyone know that it's not the genuine thing, so what's the point?

3. "Because it just looks better". Again, opinions, opinions. This is a watch freaks forum, you will always have someone saying that these hands have the wrong lume, the bracelet is a bit rattly, the crown guards aren't exactly like the genuine, the markers don't shine as much, the font isn't as crisp as it should be, etc. Just be aware of how much will you spend on that improvement and be aware that it might not be the massive improvement people say it is. In fact, you could probably buy another great watch with that money instead.

Or maybe you have a tree in your garden that grows money, in which case I'd say buy what you want, swap what you want, or even buy a genuine watch. But no, this watch doesn't "need" any genuine parts out of the box (unlike some other watches that really improve with some genuine parts *cough! arfdatewheelsucksquitealot *cough!)

Anyways, do what you want, it's your time & money, whatever you do I'm sure it will be fine. I just thought I would offer a different perspective just in case ;-)

Well, I guess I only want to have the watch as close as gen as possible, that you can’t Even see the difference if you were to compared gen with VsF in the naked eyes. Was planning to buy dj 41 for a couple years ago, But today I think the prices just not justify it anymore...

It sounds like you Are convincing me to keep it as it is out of the box.


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[Hinclimincli]

Well, I guess I only want to have the watch as close as gen as possible, that you can’t Even see the difference if you were to compared gen with VsF in the naked eyes. Was planning to buy dj 41 for a couple years ago, But today I think the prices just not justify it anymore...

It sounds like you Are convincing me to keep it as it is out of the box.


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The thing is that the "you can't even see the difference" has to take into account the eyes of the beholder, so to say. If my mum has the crappiest datejust next to the VSF and a Gen, she probably wouldn't see any difference. If my watchsmith saw a very good QC'ed VSF next to a gen, probably not either (as he's not used to deal with Rolexes everyday), until he opened the case. And if I showed both the VSF almost fully frankened to one of the managers in one of the top end watch shops in my city, surely they would raise their eyebrows at least and think there's something there that doesn't add up.

The "impossible to tell" is in your eyes. But your brain (and heart) knows.

 

[exilen]

Did anyone order a VsF Datejust recently after CNY? How long time did it take for the Watch to arrive?


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