[VSF] PAM1441

[Repworld]

By the way, 1438 also now has a solid caseback, and does not have a blue second hand. It would be nice. By the way, profile photos 438 and 1438, I think the difference between 441 and 1441 should be the same.




https://ru.imgbb.com/

https://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?/topic/141227-panerai-438-all-ceramic-rep-v-gen-pictures/


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[Repworld]

http://m.v.qq.com/play/play.html?vid=r0853vpd1pq&url_from=share&second_share=0&share_from=copy .


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[Repworld]

comparison here http://m.v.qq.com/play/play.html?vi...from=copy&pgid=page_detail&mod_id=mod_toolbar


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I hope this maker gen sample, v2 please .

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[KOT1917]

Did I understand correctly that they have done 1441 instead of 441, and have already changed the design?
(I mean gen)

If so, maybe there we will see a new ceramic case of the correct thickness from VSF ?

 

[Repworld]

Did I understand correctly that they have done 1441 instead of 441, and have already changed the design?
(I mean gen)

If so, maybe there we will see a new ceramic case of the correct thickness from VSF ?

I need to know what’s gen sample with maker now for 2020 model, maker reps depending one or two gen sample own by maker that’s why we see reps not accurate 100% .


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[Sharki06]

http://m.v.qq.com/play/play.html?vid=r0853vpd1pq&url_from=share&second_share=0&share_from=copy .


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This is a rep vs gen ?

If so, the thickness difference is due to the crystal no ?

On the rep it's look like a dome, and it's flat on the gen !

So this is where we have this 3mm difference , and it's not from the case so !

I'm right or my eyes play with me ?

 

[KOT1917]

This is a rep vs gen ?

If so, the thickness difference is due to the crystal no ?

On the rep it's look like a dome, and it's flat on the gen !

So this is where we have this 3mm difference , and it's not from the case so !

I'm right or my eyes play with me ?

This is generally 441, not 1441. There, the thickness is the same between rep and gen.

 

[Sharki06]

This is generally 441, not 1441. There, the thickness is the same between rep and gen.

Ha wait, i have quoted the wrong video , i talk about this one : https://v.qq.com/x/page/j3215bxfucu.html

 

[KOT1917]

Ha wait, i have quoted the wrong video , i talk about this one : https://v.qq.com/x/page/j3215bxfucu.html

I understand what you are talking about. In fact, the old and the new case have differences in the shape of the bezel and crystal, it's true.
I also, it is not much, due to the transparent caseback on 441/438, but this difference is taken into account.
The difference remains in the thickness of the midcase and the measurements of the jonnybaws show this. The thickness should be similar to 1312 according to my logic.
Considering that the design of the 1950 ceramic case is such that the bezel is screwed, as on vintage radiomirs, as an example, they can put a new bezel with a crystal and reduce the thickness.
But changing the midcase to a new one, given that the shape of the lugs has not changed (they became thinner on the steel and titanium 1950s), I think they will not.
But we won't get 3mm. At best, 1-1.5, but that will be much better.

Photo comparison midcase:
(As you can see, the difference from gen is also in 1312, but relative to reps with each other, it is not great, and you can live with it)
Photo of the bezel construction:
(As you can see from the photo provided by Repworld in thread 441 it is threaded, and you can replace it with another design, correct for the new ceramic 1950 44mm)

Photo of the difference in the shape of the bezel:
(This is gens for example 441 and 438 in relation to 1441 and 1438)

 

[Sharki06]

Thanks KOT1917 , always a big knowledge in Panerai

So you mean they don't change the case between the 441 and 1441 ... but i'm still curious if we put a flat crystal like the gen, how the thickness can be ...

midcase between 8.75mm and 8mm it's not noticeable !

 

[KOT1917]

Thanks KOT1917 , always a big knowledge in Panerai

So you mean they don't change the case between the 441 and 1441 ... but i'm still curious if we put a flat crystal like the gen, how the thickness can be ...

midcase between 8.75mm and 8mm it's not noticeable !

Yes it is. They have already lost a little in thickness, with the transition from a transparent caseback to solid, and I hope they will lose more by making a new bezel complete with a new crystal. Yes, the midcase will stay a little thicker, but it won't be so critical.
Of course, I'll take off my hat if they just make a new ceramic case new 1950 44, but at least according to the scenario described above.

Yes, this will not be 14 mm, but even if it ~16 mm, it would be at least bearable.
After all, as you can see in the comparison of gens, albeit with not ideal angles, the difference is not the most obvious.

 

[Repworld]

I think maker should get case exactly same gen sample and 441 not the solution , we talking about completely new case construction I will waiting this and be patient.


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[ForecastMax]

Did anyone else notice the misspelling on the caseback? Spelled “CaBeback”. I imagine all 1441 models have this same misspelling, at least from that factory.

 

[KOT1917]

You're right ... I'm checking all the photos I've seen before, and everywhere it is written with an error ...

Badly. Only it may seem that such gross mistakes are in the past, and you lose your guard, as it turns out that everything is near ...

 

[ForecastMax]

You're right ... I'm checking all the photos I've seen before, and everywhere it is written with an error ...

Badly. Only it may seem that such gross mistakes are in the past, and you lose your guard, as it turns out that everything is near ...

It’s a shame, I really was looking forward to this watch but every TD and factory photo I find it’s misspelled ????

 

[Repworld]

We are waiting for information about the thickness, and find out if we are getting superrep for the first time in a long time, thanks to solid caseback.

https://youtu.be/gEwbg-NMFvw


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[Repworld]

Genuine VS replica https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1Zu411v7U6
Something is wrong website 16 mm


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[Deleted member 246043]

This is a few months old and I'm interested in picking a couple of these up. Does anyone know if we can expect a v2 with the corrected spelling on the case back and a closer to gen thickness?

 

[Deleted member 246043]

This is a few months old and I'm interested in picking a couple of these up. Does anyone know if we can expect a v2 with the corrected spelling on the case back and a closer to gen thickness?

Anything?

 

[KOT1917]

You can always expect, but bug fixes are a very rare practice these days (this is about cabeback). Can't remember VSF's actual bug fixes in recent years, other than hands for PAM1314.
As for the thickness, there is little hope for meaning. With current movements, this is not feasible, and if new ones appear, then the possibility that this will affect not only new models, but also fix old ones is not excluded, but not great.

I think it makes sense to choose PAM438, PAM441 AND PAM1176 if you prefer ceramic in a 1950 case and are tied to actual flaws.