VSF New VS3135 Movement Release and Review

[focus66]

So you get a movement and a bracelet for 330$.
CF inserts are what? 120$? That is already a complete watch plus 50$.
Of course separate parts prices added up are higher. But these prices are insane compared to what the parts apparently are worth. If the entire watch is 400$, i am sure there is no less than 50% margin for factory and dealer. Now do the math... If we assume the movement is the most expensive part, it cant cost more than 50$ and they charge four times that money. They definitely are serious about that "1:1 as per the genuine", even with their pricing margins.

We really should encourage parting out watches. Improper sel fit? Try another bracelet, brand new, only two days shipping away, yours at 50$. Chip on your cyclops? No biggie, new one available in your country, 30$ shipped. Insert cracked or want to upgrade and china asks 120 plus shipping? Nah, 40$ m2m gets it. No hassle convincing your td to try to source it, no waiting for weeks. That would be so nice...

 

[BiH855]

We really should encourage parting out watches. Improper sel fit? Try another bracelet, brand new, only two days shipping away, yours at 50$. Chip on your cyclops? No biggie, new one available in your country, 30$ shipped. Insert cracked or want to upgrade and china asks 120 plus shipping? Nah, 40$ m2m gets it. No hassle convincing your td to try to source it, no waiting for weeks. That would be so nice...

I'm a big fan of this idea, imo parts sourcing is always the hardest in the rep game plus waiting times sometimes kill the fun, only problem if the M2M section gets flooded with parts you will maybe not get them sold and end up paying 400 for a movement plus spare parts you maybe never need

 

[Rubberman]

double.

 

[Rubberman]

I already said this somewhere else, again, at 190$ it really does not make sense to order separate movements when you can have the entire watch at less than 400$
the cost of an insert alone is already more than 100$ when bought separately, a bracelet maybe 100, crystal 60-80, dial 60, case definitely more than 100. With all those separate parts prices, the movement is already free of charge.........

Not everyone gets parts to place into the same watch that it came from.
You can get a VS3135 to put into a TC Sub, you can't just buy a new 5-digit sub that comes with a VS movement.

Your assumption is not correct. Not everyone is capable/skillful enough to harvest and mash-up the remnant parts. We pay a proper watchmaker for that, if you're lucky you pay lesser than some and save some on shipping too. I paid $38 to ship over, and $75 to ship a watch back from movement servicing in NYC. Servicing cost is $300. That makes $413, over a $660 Noob Daytona. More than 1/2 the watch price, Is it worth it? I am very happy I did that, I still wearing the same watch since Jan'19.
Sadly this applies only to those who are gifted, or blessed with good watchmaker friends that one has nearby.

It cost 450$ to replace a new Iphone12 mini screen. We could have bought a new one, harvest the screen, then part the remnants huh?

 

[focus66]

Not everyone gets parts to place into the same watch that it came from.
You can get a VS3135 to put into a TC Sub, you can't just buy a new 5-digit sub that comes with a VS movement.

Your assumption is not correct. Not everyone is capable/skillful enough to harvest and mash-up the remnant parts. We pay a proper watchmaker for that, if you're lucky you pay lesser than some and save some on shipping too. I paid $38 to ship over, and $75 to ship a watch back from movement servicing in NYC. Servicing cost is $300. That makes $413, over a $660 Noob Daytona. More than 1/2 the watch price, Is it worth it? I am very happy I did that, I still wearing the same watch since Jan'19.
Sadly this applies only to those who are gifted, or blessed with good watchmaker friends that one has nearby.

It cost 450$ to replace a new Iphone12 mini screen. We could have bought a new one, harvest the screen, then part the remnants huh?

I dont get what you mean.
If you want a 16610 with vs movement, you can either overpay for a movement or get an entire 116610 and get rid of the excess parts.
If someone buys a movement, he IS either gifted with the ability to perform the work himself, or he is going to pay someone. That "someone" could also pull the movement from the donor watch. Three minutes job.
It is completely irrelevant what kind of watch you need a specific part for. You get your whatever watch, slaughter it, take what you need and sell off the rest.

In theory your iphone example would be just the right thing to do, as the crooked manufacturer also inflates prices for entire repair jobs to an obscene level.
In reality however, this is not possible, because apple makes sure you will not be able to do that.
Parts are not sold to the public and almost every component nowadays has chips built in and is coded to the mainboard. You cant even buy an entire iphone and swap the screen with another iphone of the same version. Homebuttons, batteries, nothing can be swapped without having your phone bricked.

Fortunately this is not the case with watch parts.

 

[miami_YG]

Accept GEN balance 3135 ?

Looks like its possible. https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...essories/9748874-vsf-3135-hybrid-gen-movement

 

[kangfromny]

trusty is the new 3235 superior to this? how so?

 

[Sarasvati]

Hello everyone!
I'm new to the forum but I've been following it for some time. I have been working in a rolex laboratory for many years and I find it easy to recognize a genuine product from a fake one, especially as regards the movements (my sector).
A few years ago I put my hand on a replica of the 4130 (I don't know the brand) which should be indistinguishable from the original, but after taking a look at a few small details I immediately caught the obvious differences.
My question is simple: is there a clone of any rolex caliber that can deceive or put an expert eye in serious trouble?
Thank you!!

 

[GrandmasterChime]

Hello everyone!
I'm new to the forum but I've been following it for some time. I have been working in a rolex laboratory for many years and I find it easy to recognize a genuine product from a fake one, especially as regards the movements (my sector).
A few years ago I put my hand on a replica of the 4130 (I don't know the brand) which should be indistinguishable from the original, but after taking a look at a few small details I immediately caught the obvious differences.
My question is simple: is there a clone of any rolex caliber that can deceive or put an expert eye in serious trouble?
Thank you!!

No

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[Tijdwijzer]

Hello everyone!
I'm new to the forum but I've been following it for some time. I have been working in a rolex laboratory for many years and I find it easy to recognize a genuine product from a fake one, especially as regards the movements (my sector).
A few years ago I put my hand on a replica of the 4130 (I don't know the brand) which should be indistinguishable from the original, but after taking a look at a few small details I immediately caught the obvious differences.
My question is simple: is there a clone of any rolex caliber that can deceive or put an expert eye in serious trouble?
Thank you!!

No. with a loupe you can see the difference between stock replica vs genuine in a few sec. Always. especially if you have been working in a "Rolex Laboratory"

But there are "franken" movements with alot of genuine parts, like:
https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...franken-116610ln-noob-v6s-w-gen-hybrid-sh3135

Gen Automatic Device Upper Bridge 140
Gen Oscillating Weight Rotor 570
Gen Automatic Reversing Wheels 540
Gen Date Weel Mounted 625
Gen Date Corrector Wheel 645
Gen Sliding Pinion Clutch Wheel 205
Gen Hour Wheel 280
Gen Winding Pinion 204
Gen Intermediate Date Wheel 670
Gen Pallet Fork Anchor 421
Gen Date Finger 623
Gen Date Indicator Seating 600 + Date Jumper 614
Gen Bezel Gasket Ring

 

[Sarasvati]

Ok, thank you. As I imagined in recent years they have not made real progress to worry us. I have already seen a fake watch with some original parts .. but I have seen many originals with few fake parts (dials, hands and glasses more than anything else). In rolex they are very strict, and they are more and more so (now we have to return to the parent company the worn pallet fork too) and I can't understand how original pieces can be found around ..maybe a rolex is worth more sold in pieces than whole .. or stolen items! hahahahahah!

 

[Yogibear]

Hello everyone!
I'm new to the forum but I've been following it for some time. I have been working in a rolex laboratory for many years and I find it easy to recognize a genuine product from a fake one, especially as regards the movements (my sector).
A few years ago I put my hand on a replica of the 4130 (I don't know the brand) which should be indistinguishable from the original, but after taking a look at a few small details I immediately caught the obvious differences.
My question is simple: is there a clone of any rolex caliber that can deceive or put an expert eye in serious trouble?
Thank you!!

You are so full of shit.... What are you 15?

 

[dlbonano]

Not everyone gets parts to place into the same watch that it came from.
You can get a VS3135 to put into a TC Sub, you can't just buy a new 5-digit sub that comes with a VS movement.

Your assumption is not correct. Not everyone is capable/skillful enough to harvest and mash-up the remnant parts. We pay a proper watchmaker for that, if you're lucky you pay lesser than some and save some on shipping too. I paid $38 to ship over, and $75 to ship a watch back from movement servicing in NYC. Servicing cost is $300. That makes $413, over a $660 Noob Daytona. More than 1/2 the watch price, Is it worth it? I am very happy I did that, I still wearing the same watch since Jan'19.
Sadly this applies only to those who are gifted, or blessed with good watchmaker friends that one has nearby.

It cost 450$ to replace a new Iphone12 mini screen. We could have bought a new one, harvest the screen, then part the remnants huh?

you have a repairer in nyc? i need one

 

[SmokingRollys]

Please forgive my ignorance, but do all of the latest VSF subs come with the vs3135 then? I'm assuming yes.

 

[NPD]

Please forgive my ignorance, but do all of the latest VSF subs come with the vs3135 then? I'm assuming yes.

116xxx series from VS would come with VS3135 inside.

126xxx series from VS would come with VS3235 inside.

 

[SmokingRollys]

116xxx series from VS would come with VS3135 inside.

126xxx series from VS would come with VS3235 inside.

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[ActrisduX]

Hello.
I find this subject interesting but it is necessary to clarify certain facts. I hear a lot of people telling me that in clone Rolex movements, the VS makes the difference.
Guys, we are talking about copies after all, of course, it is watchmakers who assemble these movements, but the quality control is far from Rolex standards. I'm not going to explain all the technique.

For having done services on clone movements and now I remember some Submariners with this famous vs3135, this movement did not thrill me in terms of quality either.
I also had stability concerns and the only solution is to control the pendulum if it is balanced. So in summary, the VS and VR fight in my eyes, has no place. We are in the world of replicas and if the watch no longer works after 1 week, for me it is normal. If you want good quality, you simply have to buy the real Rolex. Finally, I have replicas with the VR3135, 3 years the watches work without problems and I think the VS is the same, There are stable movements, much more stable than the 2824 but it's random, but in recent years the quality has improved.
I remain available to discuss, because we learn a lot on this forum. THANKS.

 

[mariot]

Alignment problem on vs3135 movement with genuine date disc, does anyone know why this is happening?

 

[Len]

Is ARF the same as VSF? If not, is VSF better or worse than ARF sub?

 

[derjenigewelcher]

Is ARF the same as VSF? If not, is VSF better or worse than ARF sub?

Not same. Please do some research for basics..