Today we tested all the popular SUBs for 904L steel

[puretime]

All makers know the material used on their watches, especially when it is that expensive.

I think it is ok to say 904L when only some small parts are made of 316L because you need to buy another lot of metal for them, it is not cost efficient to do so.

But calling a full 316L a 904L watch? And selling at 904L price? I am not sure...

 

[Smoke]

Wow zzf that's bs wow and there watches are expensive as hell
I've has the zzf v1 hulk and that was 904 because it was identical steel to my gen.now the zzf v2s I never got 1 and the zzf v3 is not out yet so no1 actually has seen one apart from tds

 

[Smoke]

They took a brand new piece a few days ago so I suspect it was the latest but it has nothing to do the versions since they didn’t update the case and bracelet.


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They did update the case and bracelet for the v3 bro

 

[Smoke]

You can if you put one 316L and one 904L side by side and you can tell from the steel color, 904L is slightly brighter/whiter.

But you can hardly tell if you have only one 316L watch on hand.

It is a trust thing after all, we just chose to trust what the factory and TD say.


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Correct

 

[puretime]

They did update the case and bracelet for the v3 bro

Confirmed with ARF that their bracelet factory has a contract with them that they will not supply 904L bracelets to other makers, but they can supply 316L bracelets. So even ZZF v3 bracelet is made by the same factory that ARF does and it will still be 316L.


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[Futzorr]

Confirmed with ARF that their bracelet factory has a contract with them that they will not supply 904L bracelets to other makers, but they can supply 316L bracelets. So even ZZF v3 bracelet is made by the same factory that ARF does and it will still be 316L.


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So ARF's bracelet factory will only supply 904L to ARF and no-one else?

 

[Smoke]

Confirmed with ARF that their bracelet factory has a contract with them that they will not supply 904L bracelets to other makers, but they can supply 316L bracelets. So even ZZF v3 bracelet is made by the same factory that ARF does and it will still be 316L.


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Wow man this is crazy.glad you did this because no other Td knows that zzf are doing this on there latest most expensive release.so do tds now have to sell the new zzf v3 as a 316 l peice for the same high price?

 

[puretime]

FIY

Many people think a factory only needs to replace the metal from 316 to 904 if they want to make 904 parts but it is not the case. The manufacturing process of 316L and 904L are different and you can’t just switch the metal.


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[puretime]

So ARF's bracelet factory will only supply 904L to ARF and no-one else?

Yes I just called ARF and confirmed this.


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[Smoke]

So ARF's bracelet factory will only supply 904L to ARF and no-one else?

I want to test the new zzf myself for 904 content but alas no testing machines
zzf just shot themselves in the foot if the v3 is really 316 being sold as 904

 

[Repmaster1337]

What a shock! Thanks for the heads up pt. This had to be done at sometime anyway. I understand why zf brought it up. ZZF is swimming in cash. :graman:

 

[puretime]

I want to test the new zzf myself for 904 content but alas no testing machines

Please check earlier posts and if you are in US and I think he can help you with that.


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[Smoke]

Please check earlier posts and if you are in US and I think he can help you with that.


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Bro I'm from uk man remember

 

[McPeace]

Yes I just called ARF and confirmed this.


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It is obvious for ARF stating this. For the bracelet factory though, this wouldn’t make any sense. If they can make more bucks on selling the bracelet to other factories, why shouldn’t they do it? I don’t think ARF will pay them such a premium to keep them from this...

Anyway, this entire topic is really strange - one way or the other ...

 

[Smoke]

Everyone loves zzf and not zf so I'm not sure if this could be a ploy of some sort to get more people into the zf camp.anyway thank angus for doing this

 

[Futzorr]

It is obvious for ARF stating this. For the bracelet factory though, this wouldn’t make any sense. If they can make more bucks on selling the bracelet to other factories, why shouldn’t they do it? I don’t think ARF will pay them such a premium to keep them from this...

Anyway, this entire topic is really strange - one way or the other ...

Everyone loves zzf and not zf so I'm not sure if this could be a ploy of some sort to get more people into the zf camp.anyway thank angus for doing this

Both of this is exactly how I feel. Something strange might be going on. But thanks for making this puretime

 

[Smoke]

I remember a few years ago maybe 6 years ago we tested the gold content in all the major factories wrapped gold pieces .the results were horrible none had genuine gold content

 

[puretime]

It is obvious for ARF stating this. For the bracelet factory though, this wouldn’t make any sense. If they can make more bucks on selling the bracelet to other factories, why shouldn’t they do it? I don’t think ARF will pay them such a premium to keep them from this...

Anyway, this entire topic is really strange - one way or the other ...

Why not? Not everything is about money my friend.

I am sure ARF gives much business to the bracelet factory and I think it is ok for the bracelet factory to keep the word of only making 904 bracelets to them. If you are in a business and it shouldn’t be hard to understand.

You only see it strange because it was started by me, you will see it fine if someone else did this.

But it is true.


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[Nikz19]

So all those people who claim to be able to visually tell the difference between 904 and 316 steel are idiots. Since no one ever suspected ZZF to be lying.

I use a plated 116710 arf bracelet on my 16613 and brushed both with the exact same brush. There’s absolutely NO color difference between them being the case in 316L (jf old case) and the bracelet 904.

 

[Smoke]

Why not? Not everything is about money my friend.

I am sure ARF gives much business to the bracelet factory and I think it is ok for the bracelet factory to keep the word of only making 904 bracelets to them. If you are in a business and it shouldn’t be hard to understand.

You only see it strange because it was started by me, you will see it fine if someone else did this.

But it is true.


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I like your honesty I dont like the factories dishonesty because the zzf v1 was 904I imho ,as isaid I've not seen the zzf v2s in hand and the v3 is not out.so now this info is out in the open the factory needs to lower the price of the v3 and label it as 316.if they want to stay relevant in this sub game