Thanks that's very interestingClean has the same movement for the 3135 Vs now. Seems like westerners prefer VSF. Funny enough, seems in the east Clean is bigger and actually more expensive then VSF. You can use google translate and read reviews that say Clean is the better choice over VSF. Heard alot of those review blogs that hype Clean though are selling Clean watches. Basically at the end of the day it is hard to discern overall which is the better rep as much is personal preference. I recently went VSF 126610. At least with the 12 line, VSF is the best choice due to no other factories using their movement 3235. Makes the choice somewhat easier to decide that way .
I just received my VSF 114060 and I'm blown away by the quality. I own a gen 16610LV and the VSF quality is on par with my gen.I think personal preference is based on pics. Get both in hand and you will see CF is not as good build quality. VSF has gen like bezel and crown action and feels like a gen watch. CF has replica watch bezel and crown action and feels like a fake watch. You can’t see that in pics and until you have seen a VSF yourself you don’t know what you are missing.
I may be wrong, CF may have improved, but when I got a ZZF Submariner (the old name for CF) it was a cheap feeling poorly built watch, not like VSF.